Division or unite? its down to us.

[Delmary]

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posted by patred on: 07:57 - 21/12/2008

 

 

When it was first suggested that Rupert Lowe was returning my heart sank.

My first thought was it was a divisive move, it will split staff and fans alike.

Nigel Pearson had been successful in uniting team and fans, that was under threat as soon as Lowe appeared at SMS.

It soon became clear that Nigel Pearson was doomed, not because he had failed, just that he was the previous chairman's choice, and was seen as an obstacle for Lowes idea of running a club Lowe style.

It had to be the 'continental coach' way for Lowe, its what his advisors were saying.

But those advisors had no experience of the Championship, nor any clue what it took to compete in it, let alone win promotion from it.

So his first move, in removing Nigel Pearson alienated the old guard,as they have been called on here. DIVISION from the outset.

Some accepted it as the only way available, and that the bankers would love it, however we have seen just how wise the banking industry is in recent times.

Then Lowe proceeded to divide the fanbase, by inexplicable signings, loaning out players to rivals, and failing to communicate, other than the usual PR way we have been accustomed to from him. His constant interference in team matters, even to the extend of prematch pitch appearances, aliented the very coach he cherry picked for this gamble, it undermines the coach in the eyes of players, staff, the media, and fans, another divisive move.

The abject failure of the continental style coach, not only is down to a lack of funds, or the lack of any talent from the appointed coach, it's down Lowe as well.

He chose to go this way, he chose the personell, the same as he appointed every other manager that has failed, or fallen foul of his egotistic reactionary style as chairman.

He chose some, if not all the signings, so if Porto is to fall on his sword, then so should Rupert.

Amongst yesterdays debacle was the horrible sight and sounds of fan division, some STH taking the oppurtunity to have a go at the 'stay aways'

Yes, we have seen that on here as well, and its not nice.

Lowes football 'ideals' put fans off.. FACT..

Low attendances, poor performances on pitch only succed in turning fans away.

For a change, we get a decent turnout, whether thats because of the club normally pricing fans out of the game, or that ticket sales were connnected to United game, who knows?

The last thing the club needs is performance like we got yesterday from the players, or the snobbish overeaction of the STHs. On about own goals FFS..

DIVISION AGAIN...

At some point very soon, this club has to unite behind one ideal, Lowe doesn't do uniting.

Whatever the consequences we must rid ourselves of division, and Lowe does do divison!

Lowe must go and never darken our doorsteps again, leave us to lick our wounds and recover from his version of a football club. The longer he is here the longer it will take.

So if you want a united club, lets all unite in ridding ourselves of Lowe.

Sod the alternatives, those saying there is no alternative, are only apologising for Rupert, the team, and for Jan..and playing into his hands.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

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Best post i have read in a long time.

[Alain Perrin]

I don't disagree that division will destroy this club.

 

Where it falls down is it is yet another rant that is big on vitriol, short on ideas (i.e. none).

Getting "Lowe out" is like Iraq, a fine moral principle, but you better have an idea what you are going to do when Saddam is toppled.

 

My opinion is we've played our last hand. There's no money in the cookie jar to pay for a new manager or new players. We'll either die a slow lingering death in the Championship or, by some miracle, survive to fight another day.

 

What no-one can dispute (even Lowe) is that the current performances/results aren't acceptable. We should at least unite on that.

[um pahars]

I don't disagree that division will destroy this club.

 

Where it falls down is it is yet another rant that is big on vitriol, short on ideas (i.e. none).

Getting "Lowe out" is like Iraq, a fine moral principle, but you better have an idea what you are going to do when Saddam is toppled.

 

My opinion is we've played our last hand. There's no money in the cookie jar to pay for a new manager or new players. We'll either die a slow lingering death in the Championship or, by some miracle, survive to fight another day.

 

Whilst I understand your sentiment, I do think the problem of finding an alternative manager is somewhat easier than establishing a fully fledged democracy in a country ravaged by conflict and ethnic, tribal & religious divisions.

 

Keeping Pearson would have been a good idea, so I don't buy the line that there is no other alternative out there.

 

Nor do I accept that lack of money forces us to persevere with this hair brained scheme. Indeed, not to stop this folly would be a false economy of epic proportions.

 

I don't reckon it would cost much to pay Jan & co off, and I also think that what is needed is a change of direction, not necessarily a wholesale change in personnel. Some shrewd loan signings should be possible in January and if necessary then maybe we should trade in some of our talent to fund some new additions.

 

I just can't accept that we have no alternative than to sit back, accept our fate and either pray this all comes off, or we die a slow, painful death.

[Wes Tender]

I don't disagree that division will destroy this club.

 

Where it falls down is it is yet another rant that is big on vitriol, short on ideas (i.e. none).

Getting "Lowe out" is like Iraq, a fine moral principle, but you better have an idea what you are going to do when Saddam is toppled.

 

My opinion is we've played our last hand. There's no money in the cookie jar to pay for a new manager or new players. We'll either die a slow lingering death in the Championship or, by some miracle, survive to fight another day.

 

What no-one can dispute (even Lowe) is that the current performances/results aren't acceptable. We should at least unite on that.

 

 

Which part of Patred's post was vitriolic? IMO it wasn't particularly even a rant. It seemed an entirely sensible and well voiced opinion which you obviously do not agree with because as you say there was no solution mentioned, but even as it stands there was no necessity for Patred to guess at a way out. Um has mentioned one path and undoubtedly there are others. What is clear to anybody who has exerience in business is that there is very rarely only one option available. Lowe is not the only option as Chairman, JP is not the only option as manager, playing the youngsters is not the only option either, neither is playing this particular style. There are four lots of variables which could have produced different results for a start.

 

As things stand, the slow lingering death is the most likely result of the current policies and management, as less people will attend unless results turn around, until our revenue is no longer adequate to keep us afloat.