Fabrice29

Our patterns of play and intent in the games are completely different. If you don’t or choose not to see them that’s up to you. How successful they are/will be is up for debate sure but there’s a clear difference in this season to the previous ones. That’s obvious to anyone.

This is what they do though. It’s what Che has done his whole time here. Goals in short bursts to convince you he’s not the issue when the nothing performances come. Both fluffed big chances against Leicester and fluffed opportunities to create things yesterday as well. They barely effect things attacking wise consistently. We’re still relying on them. It’s bad recruitment and bad from the manager picking them.

I think the fact the manager has clearly implemented his style very quickly with a bunch of players who were recruited for the opposite style of play and a raft of new ones whilst losing some of his best ones is a positive. Results and performances were positive early on. Yesterday if we had a striker who could score when we were dominant we’d have won, that’s a positive because there was clear improvement from the two games previously. In a 46 game season bad games will happen so I’m not overly worried about 3, although obviously the goals conceded are concerning as is the consistent picking of Armstrong specifically but like I said yesterdays improvement on the defensive side was a positive and actually addressed the concerns everyone raised on here. You can’t litigate for individual mistakes.

Our best form in the last few years coincidentally came when St Mary’s was closed and we weren’t relying on Armstrong and Che for goals. Maybe if we can’t close St Mary’s, we should wait for when we’re not relying on Armstrong or Che for goals.

I think that after 4 managers we maybe should look elsewhere for the issue. 3 managers were unable to get consistency out of an inconsistent group of players. This manager has been given a new bunch of players, mixed with some of the others, and has shown improvement early on but we’ve had some issues in the last few games. I feel like 7 games, and less than a month since the end of the window, probably isn’t enough to judge his work. But hey, let’s change it and give another manager, with another style a handful of games to sort it.

Players and vibe around the club have been losing consistently for a while now. We have inconsistent performers in a losing environment. That’s not a good recipe and takes alot more than just a system to put right. It takes patience. Window has been closed less than a month. The players missing big chances up top are the same ones who have been got a while now.

Yes I did. Because it’s quite clear to me that the manager isn’t our main issue and it’s also not as simple as choosing the right system. But hey, we’re 4 managers down with 4 systems and if you guys think a 5th is needed and will solve everything then good for you 😂

Just a genuinely mental opinion on every level this. We’ve been wildly inconsistent, and that’s being generous, for years now, one of the common denominators is captain, another is vice captain and another is the lead striker still but yeah this new guys who has been here for 7 games is causing all of this.

Love how wonderfully simple it all is. 3 managers in a row now it’s been simply obvious to everyone that the right set up is all it needs and improvements will be forthcoming. Until the next one is relying on Armstrong and Adams to score goals and a few games later they need to go as well.

You’re not a serious football club if you sack a manger after 3 defeats. Nor are you a serious fan base if you demand that, pretty much 3 managers in a row. Get a grip.

There is no definitely. But let’s keep changing managers anyway.

New manager with the same players. That’ll sort it, definitely.

The first thing he did after the first goal yesterday was tell Charles he should have clipped it into the channel. It's also abundantly clear he's instructed Bazunu to pick out runners with long balls but yeah, he doesn't mix it up.

At the very least when we've lost more league games than we have won.

Really don't think this is true at all. Playing out from the back is such a minor thing, it's not a style. Ralph was very heavily off the ball based, he had a playbook that he insisted all age groups worked to so they knew where they were supposed to be at all times. It led to players being under coached on the ball and when we lost a clinical striker we were dropped massively because we were clearly out of ideas. We recruited heavily based on peoples off the ball qualities, we dismissed the likes of Olise because we didn't trust his off the ball ability, just because he tried playing out of the back doesn't mean that was his style at all. Jones was a mess but was quite clearly trying to make us a more physical side. He alluded to that many times and he felt we weren't strong, tall or quick enough. He was quite obviously torn between what he wanted to do and what he thought/was told modern PL managers do so we had this weird thing of passing it out the back then lumping it into the box. Again poorly coached but a clear push to being more "aggressive" as he kept saying. He referenced power almost every interview during January and was eventually given a massive striker and a rapid winger. A week or two later he was sacked. Selles recognised we had recruited heavily for Ralph and so tried going back to that whilst also clearly wanting to modernise the team and making us hard to beat and more organised in transitions. No transfer window obviously and this weird result of combination of styles followed. Martin is completely different. It's clear he's taken us to the extreme other side of things, much more heavily coached in possession and it shows in our movement when on the ball and shows in the attacking player being better but it's at the detriment of the transition so far. The recruitment is also completely different and much more focused on being better on the ball. We're really in a different style of playing completely right now and 6 games really isn't long enough to judge. At some point we'll have to stick with a manager for more than a few games by the way, why not stick with the one who is actively trying to do something different and more entertaining?

Not saying that at all, I'm saying that some of the guys who have been here a while have consistently let us down and been part of teams who have been losing for a few years now. One of those is captain and one is currently the lead fit striker who the fan base didn't want to be sold. It's weird imo but inconsistent players will deliver inconsistent performances and we've got quite a few.

Maybe we don't have good players? That's part of the point I was making earlier.

They were a possession based team for quite a few years under Rodgers, most of their spine yesterday was recruited under him. We've had 4 managers with 4 different styles and recruited accordingly for 3 of those.

This just simply isn't true fwiw.

We've had two bad games in a row. Honestly, this fan base is so ridiculous Fuck it, get another one in and give him 6 games as well, why not.

So much wrong and hysterical about this post but I've bolded a few of my favourites. Just love the idea you can't coach good possession based football and that nobody outside of City tries it, despite being in a league won last year by a team literally who were lauded for it. Also love the idea that we get back to basic and simple football and not only will the players perform but the crowd will love it despite having one of the most basic managers around just a few months ago and the fans booing him off every week because guess what...the players weren't performing. Glorious.

3 different managers with 3 different tactics in the past 8 months but yeeeeeeaaaa, tactics!

Burnley had kept 1 clean sheet this time last season. Also won twice. They obviously weren't wide open like we are but they weren't an end product. We're 6 games in. Good teams don't just happen and they also don't change everything after 2 or 3 bad games.

Final thing on this whole thing now but this narrative just isn't true is it? We've scored quite a few goals this season. Our issues are clearly the mistakes on the ball and the defending off it. I don't think the "sideways" narrative is fair based on the fact that we're much more entertaining in an attacking sense than we've been for a long time now. We just need better goal scorers and to sort out the defensive side. I don't think we're passing it sideways or for the sake of having possession at all.

Stephens, Bednarek, Armstrong, Adams. These have been central to a team that has learnt how to lose for a few years now. I'd much rather we washed our hands with them but somehow one is captain, one is a first choice starting CB, one is vice captain and moved into a position he's not played before while being simultaneously applauded because he runs around a lot and one is considered someone that this club couldn't sell by fans. It's bizarre we've made these people central to our team, and that's both a fan and manager problem. I'd probably throw Sulemana into that too as he's weirdly idolised despite performing well in a very small amount of games for us but his sample size is much smaller.