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Agree fully that we are 2-0 due to Russball. I'm a big fan of our possession game, but there were a few occasions when we played ourselves into trouble because we did not recognise that they were pressing harder with more men further forward. There was also two or three occasions in the second half when it simply had to go long. RM has indoctrinated the play out at all costs, but players (keeper and defenders) need to see that the space is not there. RM and coaching staff need to spot when opponents are pushed high and get players to play that 30 yard ball to the wing instead.

I missed that. The foul on the keeper by Fraser looked pretty bad from the other end of the pitch.

Not sure I understood taking Aribo off. He was doing OK. I though Smallbone was the one that should have bene replaced. Stu came on and was fucking terrible. I'd of subbed the sub. Not having Charles on the bench or a defensive midfielder RM trusts to bring on is a problem. The Watford player waltzed past Stephens who looked like he was running in treacle. Thought KWP started brilliantly. I texted a pal that he was far too good for the championship, after which he looked terrible. He was not helped by not being helped. There are times when its two vs one and we are crying out for a right midfielder to sit in front of him and track the overlap etc. Playing 4-3-3 is great from an attacking sense, but its an issue for us defensively. Last thing. I will never bother with the £20 tickets in the chapel again. The number of kids screaming nonsense did my head in. Loved the enthusiasm, but hated the high pitch drivel.

Fella and his annoying kid next to me left on 95 minutes "seen enough".

Martin killed us moving Stephens to DM.

Fuck. Stephens so slow.

Stu having a mare so far. Tempting to take him off. Buck up lad.

Who was s their fella on the right. Skillful. They are a threat on the break.

i wonder if there is a realistic sequence of results which ends up Leeds being promoted before the last game of the season, creating an easier game for us?

Feels a bit like the Southgate discussion. The general consensus there would probably be that he (Southgate) has got the players and England not winning a trophy shows he ain't truely up to it. However, I think that fails to credit the manager for (reversing a trend) creating an environment where good players do play to their potential which has enabled us to go far in tournaments. The same applies to Martin. He has the players, but without an environment, shape, way of playing/methodology, things can unravel - we saw that in the early stages of his team. With Southgate and Martin the question must be, is there another guy that could continue to foster a great environment BUT be a little better on the tactics/shape side of things? For many, RM's team shape and methodology has its negatives and will always restrict the true potential. I am not certain about that. I am thinking that if we had two or three different type of players in the squad, that provided more bite and workrate without the ball but without a loss of technical ability, some of our ills might be eradicated without a change in shape/tactics. I know some will disagree, but when he joined, I certainly was not convinced he could turn this ship around and make a better fist of it than cuntflaps and Burley did the last time we went down. I saw a squad filled with losers and a pretty big task ahead of him. Perhaps I didn't take into account just how poor the championship standard is though, so am a cautious about praising him to high, especially considering our spending and wage bill. I do worry that with a potential loss of talent this summer the results will mirror Swansea's (when they lost Downes) - which saw them in touching distance of relegation for a large part of the season. This style of football requires players with very high technical ability to work. Lose that and you will start to lose games. Unlike many though, I think we will win the play offs, so maybe we will never find out if that is true.

Thought I'd check his stats. 12 goals in 34 championship games. 20 starts, 9 goals. 14 subs, 3 goals. For comparison, when we signed him from Brum, he had just scored 22 in 46 games. 43 starts, 22 goals. 3 subs, 1 goal. If we'd played him up front in every game this season, does he get enough goals to counter the 'liability in front of goal'?

Huge. We would need to win all 6 games. Watford Preston Cardiff Leicester Stoke Leeds We ain't doing that. We can beat any of those teams, but we could draw or lose to any of them too.

He's like almost all wingers. Some days they look amazing, others they disappear. Not sure I agree about him not delivering at all. He showed his quality with the lovely first touch and shot to get the winner at WBA (or is turning a 1-0 lead into a 2-0 win outside your parameters?). He made it look easy, but I doubt anyone else scores that goal for us. No one else is scoring that goal at Birmingham either. I think we are seeing why Bournemouth allowed him to go out on loan. He offers Prem level quality at times, but there is a lack of consistency. Also, he is a luxury player, a liability defensively. That said, I'm glad we brought him here and think he will be the guy that come off the bench and scores the winner in the play offs.

the Daniel Passarella approach. Like it, but personally I'd turn a blind eye if it meant we fielded this lot Rene Hiuita David Luiz, Puyol, Gullit, Marcelo Keegan, Valderama, Fellaini, George Berry Baggio, Batistuta, Ronaldinho

Leeds fans were charged £30, the same as Saints fans in the Northam. So, the £47 price is down to SFC. If SFC had charged Leeds fans £21, then Saints fans would have been charged £21, but our club charged the maximum of £30, so now our fans have to pay their maximum of £47. It was £21 https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-announce-reciprocal-ticket-pricing-offer-with-cardiff-city-ahead-of-championship-opener-at-elland-road-4225729

Difficult to convince some fans that "enough is enough", especially fans that are now well used to paying Prem-sized ticket prices. I think a lot of Saints fans will grumble, but buy a ticket - it's not a very united or militant set of away fans (not many clubs have them). Your idea is laudable too, but I am not sure a boycott would achieve much. Leeds will probably just say "thanks" and sell the seats to their own fans desperate to see the game. The championship gets sod all coverage, so it will probably go totally unnoticed anyway. I am not sure what the solution is. No one gives a fuck about football fans, (especially away fans) even the football league, so all you can do is vote with your feet and not go.

£47 for a championship game is ridiculous, but Leeds sell out all the time (they have a 20k waiting list for season tickets), so the demand is there and thus they can charge higher prices. Could have a been a winner take all game. £47 would have been just about swallowable if that was the case. They are charging the same price they charge their own fans to sit in the West stand for a Cat A game. I can't quite remember, but I think that's the rule: you can't charge more than equivalent seats for home fans tickets (we can't return the favour next season). They could charge less of course. It feels a bit out of order to charge away fans more than they charge their own fans sitting in the North and South stands (behind the goals). It's not as though the West stand corner is a better place to watch. Also, season tickets make individual match tickets about £20 a game, so how many Leeds fans are actually paying £47 for their seats in the west stand I don't know. I don't think it's fair that Leeds only offer 2000 tickets to away fans when they have a capacity of about 38k. But that seems to be quite common these days. the 10% thing goes out the window (by design) if the position of the aways fans is such that its not easy to segregate.

I honestly liked him. Gave his absolute all in every game. I respect that a lot. You can't ask more. I didn't rate him, but that's because he was not a quality player, which in the Prem is essential. What I disliked, and what frustrated me a shit load, was that we bought him and not someone better. I was annoyed at just how poor our scouting was to scour the world and then come up with him. That is why we went down. Poor recruitment over an extended period, All be it hamstrung by limited finances. "Some pace". I'm not having that. You weren't at the Bournemouth away game then, where he got made to look like one of the slowest full backs we have ever had. I was sat with with four neutral fans in the Bournemouth stand. He was playing right in front of us and every one of them remarked (separately) on how slow our left back was. "Technically ok". Boy, the word "ok" is carrying a lot of weight there. Manning is superior technically and he's a championship standard footballer. I don't think you really analysed his game. What he could and couldn't do with a football. Technically limited is the perfect description of him (when assessing him as at Prem level). I said all last season that Peraud was a championship standard player. That's our level now, so if he comes back and we can't loan him out, he will do ok. I've said this week that we need more grit and hussle. He will give us that.

Slow and technically limited fullback that doesn't want to be here. Can't wait for his return.

Manning was fucking shit in lots of those twenty five games. We won a lot despite not because. As other posters have pointed out, Stephens wasn't shoehorned into a settled back four. He was picked because the back four was leaking goals. doesn't mean he can't be dropped mind. He has played pretty well in several games, but I thought he looked ponderous today.

I'd of gone with Adams, but to be fair he's been shite. The enter forward position has been a weakness. RM can share a little of the blame, but AA and Mara were already here are `his' striker has been missing all season.

it was the same last season(and possibly the season before - I ant remember now), relying on KWP to provide cover. Great until he is injured or out of form.

Not sure there is much wrong with selecting Fraser/Edozie and AA/Brooks/Sulemana. Which do you want dropping for Amo? All have been given chances. When Fraser was missing we called for him to come back. Now we have him back and its Edozie we miss. Not sure our wide players are the problem. When one is poor the sub often does well.

I still don't understand why we chose not to have two left backs in the squad.

So basically, you are calling for Manning to return.