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Thanks for demonstrating so clearly how easy it is for you to get confused. My reply was the bit below your bit in quotes.

It was only confusing to those who are easily confused (i.e. you and NickG).

Had Poortvliet been appointed in happier times then indeed it would have been highly questionable, so to appoint him at such a critical time in the Club's history just makes it questionable x 10!!!! When we were in such a delicate and crucial position with regards on and off the pitch, it just beggars belief that we go for such a revolutionary and untried set up, particularly when there was a set up in place that had potential. If ever there was a time for consolidating, then it was last summer. Instead we took a huge gamble on an inexeperienced coach (and as it turned out, useless as well), a gamble that could still prove very costly.

Amazed LMFAO. Football fan in having an opinion of a footballer on a football forum shocker!!!!!!!!!! Behave yourself you drama queen. You're just on another point scoring execise with cheap comments like that and look a right ***t with that attitude. And if it's any consolation, I also thought Shearer missed too many one on ones and I didn't think he'd make it.

No one is suggesting he just goes and we then do nothing about it, or that we only look for a replacement once he has left. Instead, people are suggesting we get out there now and start the search for a competent CEO/Chairman who should be working full time, even if it costs more, as IMHO just because he is cheap is hardly a ringing endorsement of why we continue with Lowe (after all why not continue with Poortvliet as he was cheap:rolleyes:). Parry is leaving Liverpool at the end of the season, are you suggesting they will cease to trade? What do you think they will be doing between now and then? It was the right decision for Lowe to step down a few years back and the farce of Total Football and the U turn undertaken in 6 months shows he should not be involved in the decision making process at our Club. Why we insist on dipping into the same incompetent, failed and stagnant gene-pool of shareholders to appoint our CEO/Chairman just beggars belief.

Liptak to rival Killer:D

They also thought Poortvliet and Total Football were the way to dig us out of the hole (problem was it looked like we were digging our way through to New Zealand:D).

Too expensive for us. However, it will be sad when Liverpool go out of existence at the end of the season. Do you think they will only relegate two teams, or will they promote four?????

I think this could well be a post to keep for posterity:D

Add me to this list. Some of the stick is way over the top and misplaced IMHO..

And as someone who too has lost people close to them, then I can sympathise with your loss, but when used in this context it is not being used in that manner. We are not talking about the physical illness, instead it is being used as a metaphor in one of the guises highlighted above (e.g. fast-spreading bad phenomenon: something, usually something negative, that develops or spreads quickly and usually destructively).

Wotte and Poortvliet = reverse psychology :D:D

I have to say I think the sancitmonious possee have saddled up again. 2. any evil condition or thing that spreads destructively; blight. 3. like a cancer; an evil that grows and spreads; "remorse was cancerous within him"; "pornography is cancerous to the moral development of our children" 2. A pernicious, spreading evil: A cancer of bigotry spread through the community. 3. an evil influence that spreads dangerously: their country would remain a cancer of instability 3. fast-spreading bad phenomenon: something, usually something negative, that develops or spreads quickly and usually destructively There are enough definitions of "cancer" to show it can be used in this context without it being deemed offensive or indeed insensitive.

I'm afraid I do not share your optimism with regards Liptak. I am of coure no footballing expert and have seen him play for a total of about 15mins, but he looked scary (and I don't mean in an agressive, I'll bite yer legs off way). Not good news if true, so hopefully a minor niggle.

Do you remember that letter from Burley last time around;) Be prepared for another one of those to tug on the heartstrings if Lowe's position comes under threat:D I'm sure there are some on here who wouldn't have minded Burley fcking off with Lowe in 2006!!!!!

Do these events take place in the Itchen South/Chapel corner??;)

I think in that interview he was alluding to his offer of putting money in, coming back in some capcity and replacing Poortvliet. I think Crouch realised that once Wotte was appointed we had probably rolled the dice for this season and the only option was to back the manager. I think he was happy to undermine Poortvliet (and fair fcking play to him, because Wilde and Lowe were dawdling), but he did not undermine Wotte as far as I am aware.

That's one of my problems, not that he doesn't get any scoring chances. more that he fluffs, scuffs and spoons too many of them (particularly the easier ones!!!!). Which in a way is surprising, because at Youth level he was burying them.

I can only presume you couldn't read the part that said: "Of course it's all hypothetical with no firm evidence (this is a message board for opinions after all)," If you're expecting every opinion, piece of conjecture or way of thinking to be supported by firm numbers then I'm afraid you've come to the wrong place. This is a message board where people can discuss potential alterntives without having to go into detailed cashflows LOL. If you're not open minded enough to realise that there were alternatines to the strategy we undertook, then you probably could do with taking a step back and having a reasoned think about it. I have no doubt that we were under incredible financial pressures at the start of the season, and I also accept thay the majority of the decisions undertaken were done for what was believed to be the right reasons, but we could have done things differently. Two simple examples. One would have been not to appoint Poortvliet. We could easily have kept Pearson (or being progressive we could even have appointed Wotte to the hotseat!!!). I don't really see that decision as being particularly financially driven. I'm sure Pearson was on more than Poortvliet, but not so much that it would tip the balance. You really should not be scrimping on arguably the most important person at the Club (we got what we deserved when we wnet that way). The second was the money spent on Schneiderlin and the priorities at the time. What the exact sums involved are indeed unknown, but it probably wouldn't be way off the mark to think we have parted with half of the £1.2m quoted. Throw in £3k a week and we're up to maybe £750,000 for the season (BTW I'm just estimating here if that's OK with you;)). Would that £750,000 for this season cover Saga's wages, bonuses and any fee payable by Aalborg. I have no idea, but I don't think it would be a million miles away. And then of course after that you have to start thinking about including any benefits from having Saga available all season with goals increasing the chances of winning, increasing the chances of bums on seats etc etc etc. Now if you want to come round mine and run some financial modelling, then I would be only too happy to do some of that, but I also think it is safe to say that you can get a general vibe for things without having the full details at your disposal. If you're going to insist that every opinion on here has to be costed and audited, then we will soon be back to Best 5 crisp flavours;)

He indeed does have a very good point, because the recent mini revivial under Wotte just goes to show what might have been possibe had we gone down the more "traditional" route from the first game of the season, as opposed to some Revolutionary Set Up playing Total Football. Rather than being embroiled in a relegation battle, we could have had many more wins under our belt, dare I say many more bums on seats and then arguably much more wonga coming in, with maybe even the possibility of strengthening the team in the January window to push on even further. A Virtuous circle as opposed to the viscous one under Poortvliet. If Wotte keeps us up, then arguably our form will have to be akin to mid table stuff (if not higher).

But this happens a lot in the Youth leagues and then many of these players just can't make the step up to the first team and replicate that form. I watched quite a bit of the youth team back then and IMHO a) he was in a pretty good team and b) he was a sort of bully and his physical presence and power was much greater than his compatriots (I likened it to a good County Batsman who can bully the County bowlers, but then gets found out on the International stage). It's all about opinions, and whilst he has played OK in the last two games that I have seen, I still don't think he is a centre midfielder (attacking or not) and I would single him out as one of our weaker players. Would love to be proved wrong of course.

My understanding is that Wigley brought Wotte to Lowe's attention, but have absolutely no idea where Poortvliet came from. Three years ago Wotte was wanted alongside Lok, so was it definite that Wotte was number one back then, and not Lok as number one, with Wotte in the background, or was it definitely Wotte in charge, with Lok behind him?? Would also be interested to know just how we ended up with Poortlviet, how his name first got mentioned and what research we did on the guy. And given the mysterious nature of the man, would still love to know exactly who Van Der Waals is/was and how much of an influence he has been (considering that in that interview he credits himself with developing the strategy alongside Lowe!!!)??

But what is down to the board is: a) What coach they employ to get the best out of thoise resources, and b) The strategy and constraints within which that coach has to work in.

Absolutley Mike. I have no problem with financial prudence and living within your means, and like you I believe our biggest problem in recent years is how we spent the finite amount of money we had. If you haven't got much cash, then how you spend it becomes so much more important. Too many poor decisions in the top flight led to our relegation and we have compounded those errors during our sojourn down here.