Sir Ralph

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Probably needs William and Kate in charge - a break from the old. They will be seen as less associated with the Andrew stuff than Charles

We disagree on this point about the monarchy generally. Whilst you might not identify with the monarchy a large number of people associate the royal family with their British heritage and, whilst not perfect, have pride in it. Some of the biggest nation gathering events have been around the royal family and some countries would love to have such tradition. The only reason I can see you want to remove this heritage and historical institution isn’t because of any negative impact but a view that they aren’t democratically elected, albeit this view is theoretical anyway because the Royal Fmaily has no power We talked about the economic impact. There is a difference between complete speculation and estimations. The reports cannot be completely accurate as they estimate figures but it doesn’t mean those estimates aren’t broadly accurate . Yet to see evidence that they don’t have a notable positive impact on the economy from a non political source.

This is your perspective and here-say though. At least I’ve put some evidence from parties with no apparent agenda. People normally take views based on evidence and advice. Having lived abroad in a country that loved the royals with Americans who also loved the royals my perspective is different to yours.

Yes it’s not an exact science obviously but to discount it on the grounds of being pure speculation and made up would be inaccurate. I can’t see data evidence which says that the royal family has limited impact on tourism. These parties don’t appear to have an agenda so it is clear that even if they are wrong to some degree there is still a significant positive impact

Yes some would but not as many - cue the evidence provided by me above, not speculation. I assume you aren’t arguing that the numbers wouldn’t change and that the royal family doesn’t have economic value once you have reviewed the articles provided?

As equally right you were about the crown estate, you are incorrect on this. You honestly don’t think that tourists don’t come to the UK because of the Royal family? Evidence: https://bmpwealth.com/how-the-monarchy-helps-add-value-to-the-uk-economy/ https://www.regionalstudies.org/rsa-blog/blog-the-impact-of-the-uk-royal-family-on-tourism/#:~:text=Recent attempts to measure the,to be £1.766 billion.

I was wrong - you are correct

I’m off the Switzerland to use Dignitas. Put me down now

Your post wasn’t funny - you were making a poor point

No it wouldn’t. Do you understand how the government use the royal family to drum up trade interest and investment in the country as well as entertaining dignitaries whilst discussing international matters? There is a reason that the government use them regularly. The Royal Family own their palaces (Buckingham, Windsor, etc etc) and land so they could just shut them if they wanted to. That would be really good for tourism. You can’t strip them of their wealth it’s theirs. I suspect they could become richer if they were deposed as they would no longer be accountable to the public

My point was that if you are concerned about the democratic will of the people as to the royal family remaining, the outcome of any vote would likely be yes We will obviously disagree on that but I take from that that their decisions have no impact on your life or outcome. Do you know how much the royal family cost the uk taxpayer versus the income it generates? I obviously googled this. Annual cost is £86 to £132 million. Income from tourism annually estimated £500million, with broader benefits associated with media and trade influence around £1 billion to £2.5 billion per annum. Why do the royal family always get rolled out for visiting dignitaries do you think? This is before any taxes paid by the Royal family which will also contribute to the treasury We obviously come at this from different angles so fair enough

This is one of your most ill informed post yet. You clearly have no idea about tourism in the capital

But they don’t have any power and don’t align themselves with a political position. How have they made any decisions in your lifetime that have impacted you? If you spoke to the numerous charities and businesses / employees of tourism that benefit from the royal family they would highlight the positive benefit. As a whole the country wants to keep the monarchy based on polls. If there was a democratic vote on this it’s highly likely people would vote to keep it

They are off again, the self proclaimed know it all and his lackey, Mickey. Stick to the thread about Andrew chaps.

For services to this Forum in providing an alternative perspective

Cause they don’t generate any value to our country, support good causes or encourage tourism do they? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. The Royal Family is one of the reasons that the UK is best known across the globe. Having lived abroad there is huge interest and respect for them and the heritage of the royal family. Having said this Andrew is clearly a complete idiot and an embarrassment

I know I can’t take it. It makes it even more painful that I’m obsessed with you (you’re sort of like a hero to me, particularly being a titan of industry) and you shun me every time. I’m looking for validation from you. Must have been something in my childhood.

This is pointless - let’s end it now

Ok great we agree. You think I’m a fool and I don’t care. I think you have an overflated ego and tell people too much about yourself that it’s not believable and screams for attention. From experience of working with people that are truly successful none of them would act like this. Cheerio

I really don’t care. Like zilch. From your avoidance of the question I take you agree welfare spending should be in excess of education. What a guy.

Again you ignore the main point but that’s just you. From this I take you agree with welfare spending being in excess of education. What a guy!

Send me a photo of your bookshelf again. Meant to say increased “to”. Not like you to pick up on a single wording error but miss the main point. So you support welfare spending in excess of education spending then. Ok. Of course I googled the welfare budget figure, like I have that stashed in my brain.

Thats a “wel-fare” comment