Sir Ralph

Good on Rubio. Calling out the decline of the west again and said they won’t be custodians of managed decline. Doing Europeans leaders job for them

I’m just glad you don’t make any discussion about colour or race……

I agree neither should be charged. I think people can say this stuff in robust conversation which is why I referred to applying this to peoples standards today and not mine. We disagree which was worse as a comment. My point is that if the standard of the FA is to charge people for meeting a certain threshold it needs to apply it across the board and not selectively. Maybe leave it there without ripping strips out of each other

I do - you make bizarre points that are frankly difficult to follow to suit you’re predetermined view. i imagine they are mainly Caucasian based on the demographics of the area where the flags are located. Not sure how this is related to why Ratcliffe is investigated and Neville isn’t but I’m sure you will find a contrived way to justify it

Well I disagree and by today’s standard (not mine) what Neville said is more racist than Radcliffe but the FA and PM seem to want to target only one. In fact I don’t think either comment is that bad but in today’s snowflake society people can’t deal with robust discussion. I’m not getting into a description of people putting flags up as I can’t comment on it. I imagine people have their different reasons. My personal view is that I agree with it in principle if people are doing it for patriotic purposes. I think Neville was wrong to say what he said.

So if I call someone “(fill in the colour) c-bomb” that’s not racist because I’m not saying all people of that race are?! That logic doesn’t follow to me at all particularly in relation to why ratcliffe is being investigated. My point is unrelated to putting flags up it’s about Radcliffe, Neville and the FA

We are talking about the FA investigating a football club owner for comments that they perceive could bring the game into disrepute. i use the Neville example of an owner of a football who targeted a group of people based on their colour and age. The fa didn’t investigate as I understand it. Why is that if they want to investigate ratcliffe? If Ratcliffee had replaced the words that Neville said with a different colour or religion he would be hung drawn and quartered by the FA (which he may well still be) and politicians. I’d argue that Neville’s word are actually more offensive than Ratcliffes as Neville targeted a specific race of people My Point is these are similar positions for football club owners. One is called out by the FA and the PM, the other conveniently ignored. In normal society that’s called “double standards”

He singled out a group of people based on their age and skin colour. He said “the division is being created by angry middle aged white men”. You don’t think that’s racist based on today’s standards? He is the owner of a Manchester football club

As an owner of Salford, when did the FA investigate Gary Neville for his racist comments? Remember “angry middle aged white men”.

When did Neville get investigated by the FA?

I referred to his personal tax specifically as that is what he moved to monaco (which you were attacking). His business setup is separate. Do you know how much tax he paid before? If you’re a net taker it’s easy to point the finger at others and tell them to pay more

They aren’t investigating him for the figures he quoted. From the Independent: Should the FA decide to launch a formal investigation, the focus is likely to be on Rule E3.1, which governs general conduct within the sport. This rule mandates that: "A participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour." The FA are a bunch of woke snowflakes. As an owner of Salford, did they investigate Gary Neville for his racist comments?

From a personal perspective he will have paid multiple times in tax more than any of us ever will. Why would he want to pay more tax here when he just explained that the welfare bill is too high. Maybe if those who blamed others for not paying more than they already do, had worked harder and taken risks they could have contributed more.

Says the biggest self promoter on the forum

Symptoms of an unsuccessful man is someone who makes a lot of who they are and feels the need to self promote. People that really are successful don’t feel the need to brag about it. Always a tell tell sign. Tone down the self promotion and it maybe more believable

Im ignoring you. No sensible conversation can be had with the terrible threesome if you, Tdmickey and farmer Joe. It’s pointless. Have a great afternoon

I’d miss seeing the photos of your garden, bookshelf, car and corporate days out. Couldn’t do that. Anyway enjoy your afternoon

As you have put that in quotes you can direct me to where I said that. I’ll abstain from responding to you in the way you respond to me as I have decorum and I wouldn’t lower myself to your poor standards. Put me on ignore.

This is normal behaviour from him. You should have seen him get his knickers in a twist over the two child benefit cap. Very amusing.

Please pop me on ignore. Be best for the both of us

His point is a legitimate one to a stupid comment. You missed the point again

I thought I was on ignore. Please add me back on ignore

I didn’t use the word “colonise” and that isn’t a good word to use in the point he was trying to make. i think the point some people make is that there are some cities and towns in the Uk where people have settled only in those places and as a result there is a lack of integration in them. The local politics are wholly run by specific groups. This is starting to play out on the national political scene and is influencing the way (and not for the better) in which some political parties, mainly Labour who are in competition for votes in these places, now address certain issues. This is probably why Starmer and Burnham stuck their nose into this. Are you saying this isn’t happening in places?

In your opinion has or hasn’t that happened in certain parts of the UK (eg parts of London, towns and cities in the midlands and up north)?

100% Agree. Hardship builds character and resilience which there is a big lack of. Our society has changed to protect people from consequence and weak mentality, which has just exacerbated it