Sir Ralph

The FA is assessing Tonda, the PL is assessing Man City. Separate institutions so they will say independent decisions. The EFL also banned us from the final

The damage to the PL brand from kicking Citeh out will be too much. Imagine Haaland, Donarumma, Anderson, Fernandez, Doku etc all potentially going abroad and weakening the PL and a significant reduction in chances of a PL team winning the Champions League. We are cannon fodder / easy to brush aside for the football authorities in comparison

Havent looked into it. What I'm doing is comparing the treatment from a political perspective. Protests from those on the left versus the right. The 2011 riots werent politically motivated / driven by people from a specific political spectrum (it was just chaos) and were 14 years ago so not really what I have been comparing. Do you agree the BLM protests were unusually lenient compared to the illegal immigrant protests? If so why?

The just stop oil protests aren’t a similar comparison with the migrant protests. The major JSO cases involved deliberately planned, large scale disruption relating to significant transport infrastructure and military infrastructure. Also some of the JSO people had previous for similar actions at similar protests as it’s the same bunch of people causing the disruption. The migrant hotel protests involved some disorder, attacks on police and riot, so different to JSO. The BLM protests involved similar disorder, attacks on police and riot as the migrant protests but with published prosecution and sentencing outcomes nowhere near as bad as the migrant hotels protests.

It’s a deflection away from the main point but I agree. Money shouldn’t mean all these wealthy BLM protesters and illegal immigrants get away with it

What a weird post

I didn’t cherry pick evidence. My point initially was this thommo guy shouldn’t get a disproportionate sentence because of his political views and I hope he didn’t. I then provided the link to the examples yesterday and also to the BLM and illegal migrant protests. The approach to charging and sentencing across a wide sample is very clear for similar crimes. To me that is evidence of two tier in respect of these two protests. Circling then back to my original point. You either disagree with me with your own evidence or accept it.

When you have evidence to back you claim and other don’t have evidence to back their claim, it does.

Lefties disagreeing with me doesn’t make them right. So far I’m the one with the evidence to support my position about the disparity in policing and sentencing and none of them have been able to counter with any substance. They pooped themselves and ran quicker than the French in WW2 (you can google what WW2 means). So yes it’s going well. Thanks for checking in Susie. Have a great day.

Utter rubbish. Similar crimes but vastly different outcomes consistently. This is based on an assessment of a large sample of crimes across both events and a significant disparity is identified. We aren’t talking about a small sample. It demonstrates a trend in decision making.

Bye. You can hide behind that statement which is convenient for you. Put those pants in the washing machine before you head out

Pissed your pants and run off in the face of evidence 😂. Don’t challenge me and then say you didn’t want a debate when the discussion gets into any form of specificity. Like your mate Johnny shearer or whatever his name is. You left wingers are a funny bunch

Evidence please? I’ve given you evidence that the blue hair and nose ring brigade get leniency. I would love to take your word for it but experience tells me otherwise

You didn’t answer my question about the disparity in approach and are changing the point I’m making. You fudged it. Like I said lots of times if everyone was charged consistently no problem. They aren’t and I’ve given you evidence which you have conveniently ignored.

I agree if he broke the law technically he should be charged. However the charges are pathetic and for similar actions or even worse actions for others the police won’t even investigate. I wouldn’t have a problem if the police were consistent but they pick and choose their charges based on the situation. That is my beef even though I’ve said it ten times! Again my issue is the disparity in the policing approach for charging and sentencing. What do you make of the charging and sentencing differences between BLM and the illegal migrant protests? Looks like they are keener to deter some people than others.

The police will never not charge someone with something they can substantiate. They couldn’t substantiate anything else other than the remaining pathetic charges but went ahead anyway. I’m confused by the suggestion that the police have somehow been lenient or reasonable because of this. I’ve no doubt that if they thought they could get him on that charge they would have done With your suggestion that there isn’t two tier policing what do you make of the charges and sentencing differences between BLM and illegal migrant protests?

I am angry about it. I rarely get annoyed. You should have a word with some of your leftie mates who often lose the plot. Surely you don’t take a two tier approach to different people who get angry?! Chat Gpts summary of the sentencing for similar offences in the BLM and illegal migrant protests. Of course the British police and judiciary are fair. The evidence does show a noticeable difference in overall outcomes. Following the 2024–26 anti-immigration/asylum-hotel disorder, people convicted of violent disorder have frequently received immediate prison sentences of roughly two to three years, with substantially longer terms for riot, serious arson or other aggravated offending. Serious violence also occurred around the 2020 BLM protests—including attacks on police—but there appears to have been a much smaller body of BLM participants receiving comparable multi-year sentences. Some BLM-related cases instead resulted in conditional cautions, acquittals or relatively modest sentences.

Well they couldn’t get him on a charge of endangering life so they went with not handing out the mobile pin. Being treated proportionately would only be known on sentencing if found guilty

Difference is he didn’t sink a boat with anyone in it. The fact they have arrested him on those charges is pretty embarrassing. Do you honestly think the guy who threw a plastic bottle should get the same time as a pedo or illegal immigrant smuggler?

Tougher sentences to deter only a certain category of people. Make 5000 indecent images of kids at the school next door, smuggle over 100 illegal immigrants across borders risking their lives and get the same sentence as throwing a small plastic bottle and swearing at the police. Those sentences deter the latter not the former and are very clearly two tier. Deter the protester throwing bottles but not the illegal immigrant smuggler or the pedo. Yes I’m pissed I used to respect the police / judiciary. With incoherent sentences like this not any more. I pay my tax for a fair police and judiciary not bullshit like this. Another thing reform need to address if they get in. Even officers (I have a couple of friends who are in it) think the senior leadership of their forces are a joke and often more interested in woke policies than doing the job. One of them said he doesn’t want to be promoted cause he will be forced to put policies in place by senior officers that his colleagues don’t agree with. Says a lot

@aintforever which part is that funny to you? The bit with the guy preparing 5000 images of kids only getting a couple of years?

British justice in two stories below. What a joke the police and judiciary are. Essentially the same sentence for throwing a plastic bottle compared to creating 5,000 indecent images of children in the school next door. Two tier is alive and kicking. And Danny Thompson has now only being arrested for criminal damage and refusing to give his mobile pin to the police (as everyone said there was nobody in the boat in the video). What a joke they are. Very little respect for them anymore. House or car robbed - not interested. Man cut illegal immigrant rubber dinghy - arrest and charge. Bellendshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkgwe3egpzgo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62kw7pqjw0zo https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8vgy7ww21rqo

Yes I would. If you can’t tell the difference between sinking a ship and slashing a dinghy with one person who stepped onto another boat I can’t help you with that rationale. God forbid one of your family members turns over a kayak of their mates when out and it sinks. 10 year minimum

They are all considerations in sentencing but the captain was risking the lives of over 100 people working for criminal gangs illegally smuggling people across borders. The question would be if what this Thompson guy did is comparable or worse. To me the answer is pretty clear

Including the 2 years and 3 months for the Captain of the mega migrant boat?