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I'm not exactly sure what being the left-wing dune entails. Unfortunately I was only given the title, not the job description.

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You work away, mate - although I'm not sure my name will carry much weight. Steve thinks I'm the left-wing dune.

Which is kinda why I whacked my little disclaimer on there at the end. I don't think you have to be "head mental" to think they were, though. Ok, if you know them both in person, fair do's - I suspect that's behind your 100% certain knowledge. But if you don't - they're just usernames on an Internet forum plus whatever they post.

You can thank our eagle-eyed earlier posters for the deduction and detection. However, I could equally see this being a giant PM-organised wind-up, beginning with the words "you know what would be good for a laugh...".

What about a man in a big cartoon hawk suit coming out to adjudicate the decision? They could play the Benny Hill Theme tune when he came on. If it's a goal he could do some hand gestures and a little dance. Is this the sort of dignified British affair that would please you?

Article is not really that informative. The thread is a bit better. As for proving the Turkish = dune theory, I really don't know. Does anyone credible know that they are two separate people in real life?

Same here, I think. Been to more Saints games over the past 3 years than the rest of my attendance combined. Lots of plans to go to more this year, though.

Not surprising. Wiganers refer to a cutway as a "gennel", they have little need of the word "the" and any spherical ball-based game will take generations to assimilate in a town full of egg-chasers. I actually quite like Wiganers

If he goes, it will be footballing reasons - and most definitely not for the huge sums of cash Doesn't he fancy a move to Spain, though?

Robin van Persie has gone on record to say he will not renew his contract with Arsenal. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/04/robin-van-persie-arsenal-no-deal Next best thing to a transfer request, really. He's got to go this summer, surely? Arsenal need to cash in.

Yeah, but it must be tough for glory hunters. Do they know shame? If they do, you'd think they'd have to move house every time they switched allegiance to avoid embarrassing questions. "I thought you supported Blackburn, innit?", etc, etc. However, they may not know shame.

So scientists are alright, as long as they don't do any experiments or research?

Do you feed this sort of information into Football Manager?

I'd definitely say that the neutrals were inflating the big teams a bit, but not to the extent that it would alter the standings in that table. Can't see too many neutrals picking the less glamorous teams though. Ta for the Stoke attendances, Rasiak - very amusing and just shows what a bit of success can do to a club's fortunes.

Start them in Division 3. There will be some short-term howling, but over the next few years - every Scottish team from 3rd division and above can count on a visit from Rangers fans for at least a year, assuming the newco-run club performs as expected and gets multiple promotions to the SPL.

Time Tunnel is one of the worst offenders of Charlie's "It is even more unlikely that they will also speak English!" rule. Ah, hallo. Ancient Rome, eh? Everyone's speaking English!

Is this seriously the best baiting material you have at your disposal?

I'd imagine Turkish would wear his infractions like a tyke toting an ASBO - a badge of honour. What's the score, Turkish?

I think if sir reviews the chronology of events, he may find that CB Fry's first contribution to the debate was accusing me of hating the stripes. Your second post accused me of knowing nothing about football culture. I'll happily admit to being considerably more combative after that, but even so, all I was really doing was pulling you up on the things you were saying. I'm not making a value judgement on you as a person. I'm not inventing things and pretending you said it or think it. At the end of the day, you're trying to diminish the points I'm making by diminishing me. In my view, and pardon my French, but that is a little bit out of order. Totally cop for the typo though.

That looks bloody awesome Alps. Great photo.

To be fair, it is in bite sized chunks* *for a T-Rex

Well, we'll ignore the insults for the time being - because you've spent the time to fully state your position. Fair play to you for that. I actually have something substantive to reply to now, something I couldn't have said earlier. Hurrah! Someone gets it. Thank you for pointing out that "you don't understand football culture" is an entirely subjective thing to say. Not that it needed saying, imo. There have been enough threads on here where someone (normally Turkish) offers up an aspect of footy culture as the norm, only to be roundly rebuffed by a lot of people with a conflicting opinion. I think we've covered this. My initial point that was football culture was subjective, something you've agreed to. Secondly, the clue is pretty much in what I wrote. How on Earth do you take "which version of the football culture are you subscribing to?" to mean:- "Hallo. My name is pap. I am a simple boy who believes that there is only one inviolable football culture"? Hmm. I might be extrapolating something here, but if I'm asking "which version" it's pretty obvious that I know there are several takes on what "football culture" is. You either didn't read what I was saying or scuppered your own point within the same paragraph. I appreciate your repeated statements that it is important. Problem for you is that there are a ton of fans who think the exact opposite. I've got no problem wearing a replica shirt to a home game. My best mate won't wear one at all - home or away. Other mates will only wear them to away games. The rest of your argument here is emotive, but let's face it, most of it is subjective waffle and some of it is outright bolox. "Know what you stand for"? What a laugh. Have you read some of the posts on here? We all stand for different things and spend thousands of words arguing our respective cases. That doesn't suggest to me that we all stand for the same thing. In truth, the only thing that unites us is that we all support Southampton FC. You can talk about the brand of Barcelona or Man United's kit as much as you want, but we both know that shirt colour has got bugger all to do with it. People like those teams because they are massively successful. What would damage them more? Changing their home strip or relegation? I'm not mistaking the team as disposable. If that were remotely true, I'd have disposed of them in 1994 when I moved to Liverpool. If we'd have gone under, I could not have supported another team. What I am saying is that the shirt isn't that important. It has never been a factor in why I support Saints. If they'd have done a Cardiff on us I might have been a bit miffed at such an obvious break with tradition, but this isn't that. We're still in our own colours, home and away. You said you like the Xerox shirt. Snap. A lot of us do. That shirt was only possible because we strayed from the red and white stripe formula. Certainly wouldn't see it behind a deli counter. It has become one of the most iconic shirts of our history, and if we'd been as slavish about strict red and white stripes in 1979, you and I wouldn't have a kit that we both so strongly identify with. This new shirt has the exact same potential with our younger fans now. I share your view about Adkin's success at the club, and I hope that the brilliant team ethic becomes an indelible artefact of the club. It has been excellent to see - a far cry from the chop-change of old. I'm not going to allay your rebranding fears. I think it's possible that we will do that. Where we differ is that I'm not entirely sure it's a bad thing. With this shirt, I think they've respected our past traditions while trying something new. Much respect to you for the support you have shown the club over the years, and of course you have the right to state your vehement dislike of the new setup. And considerably less respect for this little baby The only knowledge I'm really lacking here is what's kicking around your head when you decide that the entire world feels the same way you do. Perhaps it is a folly of my relative youth, but I'm reasonably able to accommodate other people's points of view, including yours, without having to resort to name-calling or accusations of naivety. Fair play to you. Good luck to you. Hope next year's shirt is more to your liking.

I work with a lot of Americans. Optimistic to a fault. They believe everything is achievable. Europeans tend to start at the other end. Assume that it's going to be total failure and then remove each danger until it'll probably work More pragmatic, I feel

Mate, you've replied several times, and care so little that you've taken to making things up on no less than three occasions, including this latest claim that you've made about me thinking I have a monopoly on saying it's only a football kit. I'm sure it all seems real in your own head.