Griffo

Numbers-wise, our away support is hit and miss. Vocally we're very hit and miss too. At games like Charlton or Orient away though for example, it seems to be non-stop singing and our whole support stands. I don't know why these people that go to those games can't make a tiny bit more effort and do the games that are slightly further afield. It's not even much of a fag to travel up north, nor is it expensive if you book well in advance. I guess the majority of our fans still can't be arsed though.

Oh, I misheard. Thought they said the 2nd round games would be then.

Paddington - Temple Meads can be done with a railcard for under 20 quid it seems. Not that it helps any of you Soton lot.

Tie to be played 24th August. Guess it's likely to be Bristol away. Suppose I should get looking at the trains..

Bristol City away then by the looks of it. Great..

We're away! Get in!

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?31840-Carling-Cup-2nd-Round-Draw

It has got much better from our Prem days but I'm not exactly sure why we travel so poorly north of the Midlands. I think our support lacks a certain 'get up and go' about it, where if the journey is too long and too costly then they don't bother. A club like Leeds would have fans trying whatever they can to get to an away game. For the longer ones, mostly all of them travel by locally run minibuses it seems. I sometimes prefer being in a small, loyal band of away support up north sometimes, it's just a shame our northern Saints fans like to sit down.

Pepe.

You think the coach to Barnsley will leave tomorrow? You'll be fine buying tickets tomorrow lunchtime, by the way.

Was sent out yesterday, should arrive by tomorrow. Will have to buy another one on the day if it doesn't turn up.

I saw that coming.

I seem to remember something about that too, will give them a call. I've just had a filling at the dentist and my mouth is numb still, will probably sound like a dribbling spastic.

There's certainly enough room for a flag in the away end, it holds 6,000.

Bought my ticket online on Tuesday and still not turned up. If it's not turned up tomorrow I'll be able to give the TO a call and get them to send it up on the travel coaches, I presume?

Quietened down in Eltham now.

Twitter is exploding with people saying because it's white people involved now they're claiming it's EDL/BNP and it'll turn into race riots.

It was on Sky. Pubs in Eltham were closed so Millwall spilled on to the streets, there was a stand off, a few bottles were thrown and now there's 100+ OB blocking off the whole high street. Still a stand off now. Have no idea why Sky stopped reporting it.

To be fair, Millwall are kicking off with OB in Eltham as we speak.

From today's Irish Independent - The duty of journalists is to tell the truth. If we don't do that, it's the equivalent of a nurse comfortably chatting over a nice cup of tea while an empty saline drip feeds air into a patient's artery. The moment that we think it's more important to protect some comfortable ideological dogma is the moment when our particular patient, truth, begins to die. I take no pleasure in what follows; but there is a job to be done, so here goes. Perhaps the most astounding element in the British television coverage of the riots over much of England has been the steadfast refusal to mention the race of most of the rioters. They are clearly, and overwhelmingly, Afro-Caribbean, the descendents of immigrants, though such has been the utter British failure to integrate so much of the immigrant population that many have retained something of a Caribbean accent. Admittedly, not all of the rioters are "black": clearly, some white youths have joined in. But where they have not got race is common, they probably have another feature that joins them: absent father-figures. An astonishing number of young males in London are the sons of single mothers. They have been raised without the presence of a male authority figure to impose familial order, and furthermore and most vitally, to promote the patriarchy. Contrary to what the feminist mantra of recent decades has proposed, the patriarchy was not invented to oppress woman, but devised by Abraham to control men. Adolescent males, without an imposed order, are as feral as chimpanzees. This is why all societies have adopted rigorous means of imposing authority on teenage boys, and which always requires male authority-figures: either sergeant-majors, or patriarchs or that unfashionable thing, "dads". But Britain, like Ireland, went down the insane path of encouraging single mothers to have children: indeed, both societies actually created additional incentives for unmarried women to reproduce. It is social lunacy, delinquency turned into state-policy, to encourage women to bear a population of young males without fathers. Yet that is what our two islands have been doing in a weak-minded, abject capitulation to the feminist ideological dogma that men are really redundant in the family. Yet the statistics across the world show that the single mother is far more likely to raise a criminal, a thug or rapist, than the married mother. No fewer than 70% of young offenders in Britain are from single-parent families. It is not mere "poverty" that produces the socially dysfunctional male, so much as father-free families. Moreover, in all societies in the world where Afro-Caribbeans have settled, there is a problem with male teenage gang-culture. That being the case - for whatever reason - it makes no sense whatever to "reward" single mothers of that background for having boys without a father-figure to control them. The facta are known: black children of single mothers are twice as likely to commit crime as black children with two parents. Nearly 60% of London's Afro-Caribbean mothers are single. If the allure of the male hierarchy in a gang on the street proves irresistible, then ahead awaits social disaster. There is a third element. Immigration: not of the parents or grandparents of the young males currently dismantling London and other cities, but more recent immigration, much of it white, that prevents young natives, of any ethnic background, getting jobs. There are some 10,000 unemployed in Tottenham - though the moronic oxymoron term "jobseeker" is now the fashionable term to describe the unemployed. No doubt many want jobs - for every job-vacancy in Tottenham, there are 54 applications - but is surely gilding the lily to describe every single dole-taker (whether he in Britain or here) as someone really seeking employment. But that aside, in the past ten years under the egregious and depraved policies of Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, an already overcrowded Britain took in over two million immigrants. Where have the jobs gone? That's where. Six years ago, I wrote a column for "The Irish Times" about the riots then erupting across immigrant areas in France and Britain. Michael D. Higgins TD issued a statement in which he said "The contents of his column today go beyond his usually crafted cowardice, staying one step on the safe side of prosecution for incitement to hatred or racism." "Usually crafted cowardice", eh? Is cowardice really a characteristic of my journalism? And that's before we even come to the delightful implication of racist intent. So, is it remotely surprising that we never had any proper discussion about immigration, if a future presidential candidate of this Republic could feel free to use such vile and actionable language about a critic of our immigration non-policies? Immigration did not cause our collapse, but the refusal to create an immigration-policy was an intellectual companion to our populist failure to control our banks. And no one can deny this unassailable truth: our unemployment figures have been made immeasurably worse by the large numbers of immigrants who poured unchecked into the Celtic Tiger economy.

No, I didn't say it did, I was just correcting you and whoever else thought it. Jesus wept.

It seemed to calm people down, yes. I don't know how he can be so calm. But, all I was doing was correcting BTF who thought all three were brothers from the same family.

But they weren't all from one family, which you said.

They weren't.

No one's saying white people don't commit crime mate.