Johnny Bognor

Even at 55% in Scotland, the desire to leave is still there. The SNP are just waiting for the next opportune moment to have another go. It will be the same with the EU referendum. A 55% vote for remain won't mean that the leavers will go away quietly. A 55% vote for leave won't be a mandate either. This issue is going to roll on and on. Turbulent times ahead whatever the result...

Not sure how this works. At what point is a mandate given? Anthing over 49.9999%? If it is that close, the issues won't go away. The leavers won't go quietly and conversely the remainers will try and force the issue again, if it goes against them. I see a **** storm ahead and this could go on for a number of years. Only a decisive result either way will put an end to it, but it's too close

50% 50% ... new referendum called for next month and it all starts again.

Within an hour of this intervention, the polls switch back to favour leave. Could Junckers statement be the torpedo into the Remain Carrier?? Why on earth did he make such a statement? Utterly bizarre. Even though he was referring to Brexit, that down just makes him look like a bully. People don't like bullies

i think whatever happens, both Cameron and Osbourne are damaged beyond repair. Boris could do ok out of Brexit but a remain win makes him an ideal replacement for Portillo on the politics show The referendum has been very damaging for the tories, whilst Labour have got through relatively unscathed, despte the fact that the man of principles ditched some principles for the good of the party... quite a shrewd move

There's me thinking that people vote for policy or vote along tribal lines. But maybe there is something in it, as plenty of lefties will struggle to vote for Jeremy. Anyway, stop avoiding the question. Are you voting for Cameron or Johnson tomorrow??? It seems academic achievement doesn't correlate to having a sense or humour or understanding sarcasm ;-)

That jibe only works if you vote for personalities in an x-factor style election. By your definition, those who voted for Milliband didn't exactly display stellar reasoning and judgement. Whatever did happen to him anyway? Anyway, who are you voting for in the referendum? Cameron or Johnson?

I'm intellegent enough to recognise that when the race card doesn't work, waving stained certificates around makes lefties feel better about themselves ;-)

Im not sure I discussed it, but as you ask, I have a 'useless' degree from a 'new' 'university'. Not sure that qualifies me to weigh up the arguments for leaving or remaining, considering turning up would get you a 2:2 ... but I also have 20+ years experience in building a successful multi-million pound business. I'm not sure what I should rely on... that useless piece of paper or years of valuable experience. Maybe you could enlighten me??? Or maybe intelligence is not just defined by a piece of paper... maybe some people are fortunate enough to get one, whilst there are more intelligent people that aren't so lucky? Why do intellectual lefties like to play the cum stained certificate card?

Hmmm. i notice this education thing being peddled alot. In the good old days, only the top 10% went to university, in the days when universities were 'real' universities and you had to be super intelligent to get in, let alone do well. Nowadays it seems any man and his dog can go to a 'uni' and get a 2:2 in media studies. So on the surface, the young who are more likely to vote remain, are better educated (on paper). Whereas the old who are more likely to vote out, are less educated. That doesnt make them more intelligent or worldly wise... it merely means that they had more opportunity to get a piece of paper, for an irrelevant subject that landed them a job serving burgers. So serious question: is the opinion of of a mcdonalds worker, with a 2.2 in media studies, more valid than someone who has worked in industry and commerce for 30 years???

Very interesting and obviously a more principled man that Corbyn, who now supports something he spent his life fighting against ;-)

That's one part of the remain argument that winds me up. We will not leave a market of 508 million, when 64 million of this 508 are in the UK. 444 million fair enough, but 508 million is complete bull.

... and this morning, their shares have plummeted to an all-time low. Even lower than post 2008 crash...

The EU will have bigger problems to worry about, than the UK leaving. Deusche Bank has debts over US$70 trillion, which is 7x greater than the GDP of the EU. It's 35x greater than the GDP of Germany!!! Their debt has just been just downgraded to two notches above junk. Remember Lehman Bros anyone??? DB are completely ****ed. It is only a matter of time... they're going down and they may take the Euro with it. And this is before the risk of Greece or any other basket case economy defaulting. The financial risk of remaining far outweighs the financial risk of leaving, because any decisions taken by the EU will be to protect their precious basket case currency. But 'they' don't want you to know about that. DB won't be allowed to fail before the 23rd June. It can't. It just can't. They won't let it.

But when Brown ****ed things up, he got slaughtered in the election and subsequently booted out of office. How are we going to get Juncker out??? Oh, wait a minute, we can't.

You make some good points. As for the power of the EU trading block in terms of negotiating trade deals, whilst we have less resources to negotiate, there are less obstacles. To agree a trade deal, all 28 members have to agree it. Take the current negotiations on a deal with countries in South America, the French are blocking it to protect their farmers, so no deal will happen any time soon. So whilst we have less clout or less resource to negotiate a deal, it would be easier to negotiate without other EU nations blocking deals in their own self interest.

I am obsessing about what most people thought as you responded to a post on here, which believe it or not is in line with what most people think. Simple really. You are correct in the threat levels in that a NI related attack is a strong possibility, whilst an International Terrorist attack in England is highly likely. https://www.mi5.gov.uk/threat-levels

The opening line on that article is telling... I'll quote it for you: "There is a “severe” threat of terrorist attacks on police in Northern Ireland ". I am guessing that the threat of Islamic terrorism in Northern Ireland is quite low. But it is a bit of a stretch to apply this to the whole of the UK. Now, considering the attacks in Paris involved an international football match, conducted by Islamic terrorists, in which people were killed. Is it any surprise that people would assume that what happened at Old Trafford could be down to Islamic terrorism? Out of interest, have you been down to St Mary's recently? You know that stewards scan people? I certainly have stood in the queues. I guess it was silly of me to assume that these measures were put in place due to the threat of Islamic terrorism at football stadia, brought about by the attacks on the Paris stadium, by Islamic terrorists. You know, an "actual" attack at a football match. One in which people were killed. The fact that the measures at St Mary's were put in place immediately after the Paris attacks on a stadium must have been merely coincidental. Based on your 'logic', can we assume that the French military are being mobilised for the Euros beacuse of the imminent threat of IRA bombs going off?

Stop trying to wriggle out of an undefendable position. I am talking about the population at large. Simple question. When it was announced that Old Trafford was being evacuated due to a suspect package, did you assume it was the work of the IRA? Just a yes or no will do

In the current climate, would you say that if and when people wonder who might be responsible, they would at first assume it is the IRA??? Really???????? I bet you any money in the world that the vast majority of people, when it was announced that Old Trafford was being evacuated due to a suspicious package, first assumed that it was the work of Islamic terrorism. I don't know why. Maybe it is beacuase they may have form on this? I seem to remember something about bombs going off and people being killed at a stadium in Paris. I'm sure I've seen a thread round here that talks about it. It might have been called something like "Paris-Massacre-WARNING-CONTAINS-DISTRESSING". I could be mistaken. Maybe I am getting confused with the thread about the IRA attacking football stadiums, but you'll have to point me in the right direction.

Yes, beacuse IRA terrorism is at the front of everyone's mind when there is a bomb scare. I bet when it was announced that there was a bomb scare, everyone thought those bastard IRA ******s.... not

Not necessarily. The impact of islamic terrorism causes people to panic and/or over react. Without the impact of islamic terrorism, would the stadium have been evacuated and the game abandoned?? Probably not. ... Not that i am quickly trying to show you up or suggest you are a saddo in any way :-)

... probably invovles lessons in how to fold up the white flag?

indeed. Something that is more difficult to do within the EU as there are millions prepared to come here to worqk for minimum wage. With Labour shortages, employers will be forced to raise wages thus making work more attractive. i was a fence sitter with my biggest doubts being about the economics. The more i have looked into things, the i think that is no longer a reason to stay. Project fear worked on me in the early days, but the recent desperate claims has helped me make up my mind.