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I'll give it a go........methinks we are talking bout a different Abraham, as this one is from the old testament......Islam came some six hundred years later. The Land of Israel is the only piece of land on earth ever given to a people by God. God gave Abraham and his descendants the Land of Israel as an eternal homeland. May 14th 1948, the star of David was raised over Israel [flag] thus fulfilling Isaiah 66:8" shall a nation be born at once ? Israel was named after one of the patriarchs [Abraham, Isaac, Jacob] Genesis 32 beg. @ verse 24, the incarnate Christ [Jesus] wrestled with him and changed his name from Jacob to Israel, so began a nation, Zionism seems to be a controversy to most of the world, but not God or his people, Christians and Jews. Psalm

God said to Abram: "Go from your land ... to the land that I will show you." (Genesis 12:1) God made a covenant with Abram, saying: "To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt as far as the great river the Euphrates. The land of the Kenites, Kenizites, Kadmonites; the Chitties, Perizites, Refaim; the Emorites, Canaanites, Giga****es and Yevusites." (Genesis 15:18-21) Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. The Old testament mate.......try reading it......

The difference would matter to a woman;)

You have no argument from me.......so if both peoples are entitled to the land, why then, is it, that only one of those peoples would like to see a solution to the problem (ie a two state solution), and the other people, wants to wipe the first people from the face of the earth ( their quote ).

The Indians and Aborigine's have accepted their lot, and have managed to get on with the invaders of there countrys. At no poit are the Yanks and the Aussies, threatning to wipe them from the face of the earth...

Genesis Chapter 12 1. Now the LORD has said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2. And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3. And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Hey...me, I'm a non-believer, but have read the Bible. It is a collection of truths, myth's, and fairy tales......but most of the religeous claptrap on this planet, has eminatted from it.

Plenty of Video's on youtube supporting this.....again, just look, it's all there to be seen.

Ask yourself this.....why didn't/haven't Egypt open their borders to Gaza. Why has no Arab nation given them support. Why has no other nation offered to take in Palistinians over the last eight years. Why are Fatah, not supporting them.......I know all these answers, a little research go's a long way.

No they don't. Jews lived there, before islam was even a religion....open a history book, failing that, read a Bible.

LOL....I hope he's better than his picture in the Echo....eyes shut, heading with his temple;);) But more than welcome

But you cannot deny the rockets that have been falling on Israel for the past 6 years

As someone said....you have the truth and you have the truth, but the real truth lies somewhere in the middle.

For sure......that is a Biblical city, I'm referring to all the settlements.

No dispute there. But it was mostly desert, and no-one really wanted it, the Homeless Jews, who were Europes concience, turned it into the country you see today.

Ha....this really made me laugh. Cross eyes, maybe a trip to the library is long overdue, or perhaps you should use that tap tap thing for research rather tham just play games on it.

I applaude you... Great post sir....many here are not aware of the true facts, and as you say, their knowledge is fed by a very biast media. The most saliant point here, is that Hamas are commited to wiping Israel of the face of the earth.........so Dohhhhhhhh, on what basis can you hope for peace. I have several video's of what's what, a little research on youtube, and you will find them. Like the Palestinian kindergarden kids yes KINDERGARDEN, being taught how to kill Jews.

Glad we didn't get thrashed.......but a very poor showing all the same. LOWE OUT!!!!

Sh*t....all those penaltys I gave, as well;)

Guess the meeting I attended with Hants FA describing the law change was either a dream, or I mis-interpreted it;)

Still counts.....it was a law change about 10 years ago. I'm sure a practcing ref will come on and settle this.

Laws....not rules......any more debate!!!

Any shot on goal.....intentional or not, if it strikes the hand/arm, it's a penalty.

wrong....it dosn't

it deflected off his shoulder........that's part of the arm.