Crouchie's Lawyer

I think the point that SR is making though is that from what has been mentioned, Jaidi knew he would not get a permit. So why is his agent touting him around in the UK if Jaidi knows he will not be able to get a permit? This is all superficial though seeing how DSM has pointed out the rules whereby if you reside in a country for 5 years, you are entitled to apply for citizenship (or something along those lines) so he shouldnt need a WP! Im with SR on this one. The reason given (WP Issues) does not stack it with me. There is another reason that they are hiding.

Not a good look Im afraid

Isnt Sodje a bit injury prone?! Cant believe Sol is on the verge of joining Notts County! What a coup that will be for them. God knows how they will fund his wages though, I know they have been taken over, but he must still be wanting a fair few grand each week!

Good

Agree with your post mate. I do not believe we have been given the real reason as to why the Jaidi deal fell through either. I followed this point up with the fact we have been misinformed and mislead by previous regimes and that I hoped we would not suffer the same under ML's leadership. God smite me down for saying that. I am glad we are under ML's guidance, believe me I am! But if he wants to make SFC a successful business, it needs to be in the Premiership benefitting from the improved attendances, Sky money and higher marketing ability. Without bringing in players capable of pushing us up the league, then this will not happen. Remember, we have two strikers in Rasiak and Saga, who do not wish to be here. So we cannot really rely on them. Add that to the fact we have lost David McGoldrick, Bradley Wright Phillips, Andrew Surman, Stern John, Nathan Dyer, John Paul Seize, Zoltan Liptak, Jason Euell plus Im sure a few i have missed out on, we have a team a LOT weaker than last year. We need players and the sooner this is rectified, the quicker we can start moving up the league heading to the Premiership where we will become a profitable company!

Ok, now for some major quote'age as I am not on here often and it seems in my absence, I took a kicking. Following through the rest of the thread, while people have not (for Micky's purpose) indicated they are not happy with the board (which I stress I am happy with the board) It does appear with some of the latter posts in this thread that there IS underlying reasons which may NOT be associated to the WP issue. Which begs the question "Who told us it was a WP issue? Why did they tell us that, and what is the real reason?" God SR, how very dare you have a differing opinion to any of the other happy clappers on here! Thats just god damn rude! I am not a moaner, I just like to look at things from a different angle which will inevitably give me differing views of other people. I am glad I have a club yes, but that doesnt mean I will be content with mid table League 1 obscurity for th next god knows how many years. Which on the face of it, with our current team looks very likely. We are too weak to compete with the top teams in this league and need to sign quality players who will help us achieve our goal of getting back up to the CCC and then the Prem. Jaidi is IMO one of these players, so excuse me for being a little p****d that it hasnt come off. It is being questioned now that they didnt even apply for a work permit, let alone appeal. DSM has proven that a WP should not be an issue and Im sure the legal bods at SMS would know this too. So what is the real reason? And why is this being withheld from us? If you read the post I was replying to VS it mentioned (I believe) people like the FA and immigration hence why I said they would not be privvy to contract talks. It did not mention the player or their agent, who of course would have that information. :backatyourollyeyedthing: Yes, he was a promising player. Funny story is that he was dating a friend of mine and his agent approached her mother suggesting he would be prepared to pay a handsome sum if she agreed to wed him so he could stay here! Again Lordswood Saint... dont you dare have a differing opinion! It's not allowed on here. The format for threads is strictly someone starts a thread and everyone has to all say "I completely agree with that, good post". Yes, very confusing and you have to question why if what DSM says is true. So you are saying that what has come out (directly or otherwise for Mickys sake) is maybe not true! :shock: prepare to be abused by many! See above comment, prepare for a bashing from people! Thank you DSM. I chose to question this and the 'reasons' given for the move falling apart and people tear me apart for it. Ok I may not have used the best wording to relay my point, but because I chose to look at it from a different point, people slate me. So not WP issues then. Sounds possibly like something coming up in the medical, or that the player was wanting too much money? Dont see why else the club would feel they need to protect the player and our club?!

Same old Wiltshire I see

And I sincerely think you are a tool, but I didnt call you an 'idiot' for having a view different to mine did I? I maybe being paranoid, but given the sheet we have had to put up with under the previous regime, I think I can be excused for it.

Erm, I didnt 'throw this conspiracy into the mix' it was someone else and I commented on it. Besides, as this is a forum, it is used for people to discuss views, theories and thoughts. A side note of this is that not everyones views are the same. Evidently. Otherwise it would be a very dull place if we all agreed.

Clearly. Im not going to say something that will get me infracted. Baiting is for chidren Ponty, grow up.

As opposed to you that thinks everything is made up on the spot randomly and nothing is leaked from the club right? I am fully aware that there is a percentage of 'news' which is made up yes, but equally, to suggest that the club dont leak anything is purely niave. I do not want to distance myself from them. I have said that if it transpires that someone from the club has said that it is a work permit issue and it transpires not to be this particular reason I will not be happy. Im ever so sorry Micky that you interpretted my post to be me saying I am annoyed the club have lied to me. I think the defining line in my point (and feel free to re-read this line several times) is "so I will not be happy if this is a covering story." I have made the relevant word bold for you to see clearer.

No to Sh!ttu, as someone has stated, he will cost £2m and is being courted by Prem/CCC teams, he will not come to us. Same with Sol, there is no chance we could afford his wages. Sodje is a good shout, as is JPS and Fortune. Dibden, how old is Antwi? What made you suggest him?

Dont start Ponty, you of all people should know this is a 'forum' for discussions of opinions and thoughts. I was not the first person to mention this view point. Can you say with certainty that it is not the case? No, likewise, I am only speculating that this could be a saving face reason and am not saying "F and Jeff the club, they have lied to me, I hate them!". I am merely putting my thoughts across.

Right so what you are essentially saying is that in theory this is no more than one big elaborate rumour? Deluded? I think you are yes. You are saying that all sources have come from outside the club? Yeah keep telling yourself that. In the real world that is not how it works. Someone from the club, be it the tea boy or Markus himself has spoken to someone which is how it has got out. How would we know a contract was offered if we had to rely on 'Fred' who is ITK as he walked passed the training ground and happened to see someone who he thought was Jaidi?! How would we know a medical was passed? This is things you can only really know if you are involved within the club and are privy to this information. I am not saying the 'club' have lied to me, see my posts. I am saying that this information has been obtained from the club and if found to be incorrect, would imply the club have ** fibbed. If you would like to insert the word 'indirectly' in between the stars to make you sleep better then feel free.

Then there will not be an issue then if this is the case as it would have been a genuine reason if from one of these sources because they would not be privvy to the contract conversations. All im saying is that if it transpires that the club are saving face by saying it was a WP issue rather than the (possible) real reason which could be money, I will not be impressed.

Micky please point out where I have said THE CLUB HAS LIED TO ME I have said I agreed with the post I quoted and that I am also starting to think that the club have said it's a work permit problem to save face. I then went onto say I would not be happy if this is a covering story. I did not say "I am not happy as this IS a covering story did I?" No they have not commented on it officially as I have previously stated, but someone at the club has spoken. Hearsay is different. Otherwise I could start a big rumour that Ronaldo was seen undertaking a medical at SFC... and before you know it, it would be all over the press. Thats not how it works Micky. Journo's do research you know, they do not just sit listening to rumours. To state that a player has passed a medical and has been offered a contract comes from sources within the club who KNOW this stuff, not people making up rumours willy nilly or 'hearsay' as you call it! So my point does remain, that if the club have said (officially - directly or unofficially - leaked to the press who publish the story) that the deal is off due to him failing to get a WP and it transpires that this is not the case. I will feel that the club (officially - directly or unofficially - leaked to the press who publish the story) have not told the truth. I hope that clears this up. I am behind SFC, the team and the owner 100%, but having had to put up with lies and dishonesty for so long in the running of our club, surely I am entitled to be a little wary at first?!

That's fair enough, but then how do we know about a) him having a medical and being offered a contract and b) the fact that the work permit was refused. Just because there has been no 'official' announcement, doesnt mean the club havent said anything.

Why would they? That I cannot answer definitively, but possibly because feel of fans getting annoyed that he has money but is not willing to spend it on something which is and has been glaringly required over the last few seasons. I completely agree that the club should be run as a business, otherwise we will end up like that smelly lot down the road. But Im sure many fans would say you get what you pay for and would be disappointed with us for not atleast meeting him halfway on his demands to secure the defender we require. The easy option would be to blame it on something which is out of our control, like a work permit issue. I dunno, it may just be the cynic in me, but on the face of it, he should have walked through the WP application as shown above so something doesnt seem right. Again, if they do not appeal it, it doesnt look right either.

Cheers The9, as stated above, it does look as if we stand a good chance of appealing. What I want to hear now is the club saying "small blip, no worries, we are confident an appeal will solve this." If they do not bother appealing, then it is evident there are underlying reasons (i.e he was being too greedy)

They havent commented? No? So how do we know that the work permit has been refused? Where has the 'other sources' got their information from? ... ... ... The club! The club would have told your 'other sources' that the deal is off due to failure to obtain the work permit. My username is an in-house joke which you obviously are not aware of, not a dig at you, but I am not a lawyer. If it was due to a 'work permit' problem then fair enough, but if we see him running out in a Charlton shirt next season, or any other team in the UK for that matter, then, Im sorry, the 'work permit' excuse was obviously not the real reason. If he wanted more money and we were not prepared to pay that, then just say it. It would be respected more than if we found out it was just an excuse to save face.

As it says really. If the deal is dead and no appeal can/will be made, who will we go for now. We need someone in his mould, a big bugger that can pocket strikers and is good in the air. Who?!

Starting to think that is the case yeah, but lying to the fans this early on is not good, especially if he signs for another club next week! We have had enough of false promises and smoke screens in the past. I was hoping the new regime would atleast give us honesty so I will not be happy if this is a covering story.

It was mentioned that AP had other targets lined up in case Jaidi didnt sign. So hopefully we can get one of those in before Sat. But I still want us to appeal and get Jaidi as well! AP has said that Lancashire isnt ready for first team football yet which leaves us with 2 centre backs, one of which is a sick note. Hardly takes a genius to work out we need 2 new CB's!

Yeah I was wondering that. Im sure you can appeal. IIRC didnt we appeal Pahars original refused work permit?! I mean for gods sake, Premiership teams can sign all these non EU players who have only played U21 without problems, yet we fail to get a WP for the Tunisian captain who has been playing footy in England for the last 5 years! WTF?! I bet someone else signs him without issues...

How the hell can someone who has been playing in England for the last 5 (?) years get refussed a f****** work permit! Thats b*******! S*** rules, majorly p***** off on that one!