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I find it odd that the BLM supporters on here continually chiding people with a different opinion for lacking empathy have shown zero empathy for the minorities who don't support BLM, for the police who have been injured and killed, for the business owners who have had their lives destroyed and for the innocent people who would be negatively impacted were black lives matter able to successfully defund the police, end the family unit and end capitalism. This fabled empathy that blm supporters like to claim they possess to a greater degree than others seems incredibly selective.

This has been an interesting conversation so far and worth a watch for people with an open mind. For anyone who doesn't have the time it's a black man giving his reasons why he doesn't support BLM. Makes some good points imo. It would blow soggy's mind I'm sure but he won't watch it.

You're right and it's why he won't offer any definition of what he means by alt right.

Good. Think we can all agree on that.

Piers is hilarious

That's a no then. I'd suggest not using terms for people when you can't even define the words.

No I'm not.

Interesting Tim. Care to offer a definition yourself?

I'd be really interested to hear your definition of the alt right. Seeing as you like to call everyone else by it I assume you have a quite precise working definition.

I'll leave that for you to fantasise over.

Sorry but I don't identify with silly labels like "over-priveledged white man". You sound ridiculous and maybe we should start calling a spade a spade and say that frankly you sound a little bit racist.

No.

How do you know I'm either white or middle aged? That's quite an assumption.

Lol. Almost jussie smollet levels of idiocy.

People delving into history to try to find a phrase that's offensive and then getting it wrong is a real pet hate of mine.

Agree with all of that but I've been wrong before with nonsense in the courts. Like you say it was never going to be ignored but it would have been much better if it had been.

No there'd be vilifications for both. I don't believe that there should be pressure and negative repercussions for either action.

Of course they can do that if they want to. As long as there isn't corporate pressure on them to do it then they can but I'd personally think they were a bit silly to do so.

I can see a clear double standard when a group calling themselves black lives matter with a website clearly outlining their aims is supposedly nothing to do with the very aims they have explicitly outlined and yet when someone in response writes a phrase such as "it's OK to be white" with no other meanings explicitly stated, that is concrete proof of racism and white supremacy in action. The literal words White lives matter are only "offensive" if you ascribe to it racist connotations in the same way that others are harshly criticised for daring to suggest that for many the words "black lives matter" have a deeper connotation beyond simply the three words. If I had to make a best guess about this chap then on the face of it he's the type of person who gets whipped up into an angry frenzy about rape gangs and terrorist attacks and its possible there's a racist element there. He's most likely seen the killing of the three people the other day, thought "what about the white people being killed by Muslims" and then stuck that plane in the air as a response. Like I said pretty crass and distasteful and not a great demonstration of intelligence to do that but I don't think there's some insidious deeper meaning to it. Like I said though, I'd rather that we didn't go around categorising people based on their skin colour. I have no more in common with my elderly white neighbour than I do with the African family opposite simply because we share the same colour of skin and this entire effort to divide communities down racial lines is distasteful in the extreme. Do you think a reasonable response to a statue with "fuck white people" or signs with white people getting shot or killed on them is to say "white lives matter?" If not why not?

What percentage of the UK black population do you think have been subject to discrimination in UK football coaching jobs? 0.001%? Less? Even if what Viv Anderson says is true, that's not evidence of widespread racial discrimination of black people accross UK society. Hilarious that you accuse LD of being selective with his questions and then you ask a much more selective question as a counterpoint!

Do you realise how condescending it is to someone who disagrees with you to respond with "educate yourself?" I've listened to opposing viewpoints on this for hours, I don't need any more "education" on the topic. Like many others I simply disagree with most of the theories peddled to suggest that the UK in particular is some sort of uniquely racist hellhole when almost all evidence suggests that we are living in the freest and most Liberal time periods and we are one of the most tolerant and Liberal nations on earth. I don't advocate for any group receiving any sort of preferential treatment due to the colour of their skin and I'd prefer not to use the term "white" at all because it's a stupid term but the fact that you think it would mark me as a racist were I to do so says more about you than other people I would suggest.

Yes that does seem to be the stock response towards those who question the black lives matter organisation or the official narrative- just too thick to understand and have no real grasp of events. It couldn't possibly be anything else.

I'd like to know from the BLM supporters on here: in your estimation, who do you think caused the most damage, the bloke who flew the plane over the stadium yesterday or the person who threw the bike at the police horse?

Cool. So a few more ex saints in league one of next year whatever happens.

"Replace it with an alternative model of community-led safety." No idea what that means.