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Whew.. Ramsdale to the rescue. You still sense an Everton goal coming though.

Yes it was dangerous. For us.

If we lose, surely even they must see 1 point from 10 games isn't good enough.

He isn't much better at this level.

Yet somehow 10 games in, RM cannot see the problem.

The whole mentality of the team isn't there. Their first thought is to go backwards or sideways. Even when an opening appears we rarely run into it or look for the forward ball. Attacking intent has been completely coached out of us.

70% possession though!!

Martin has already said he won't change his "style" so yes, it is predictably shit again.

Just an inevitable wait until the mistake that gifts Everton the goals.

Our first choice defence and keeper out there and we can't even stop Stoke.

It's not just about today. It's accumulated frustration from previous winnable games wasted by idiotic tactics. Despite improvement today is still 0 points.

I think in recent years the team has given us very little to shout about. Years of mostly struggles under Ralph including two 9 nils. Two terrible managers to replace him. Even winning promotion was a slog last year as we seemed to do it in the most painful way and were humiliated several times despite. In the end you do become numb to it. Expect disappointment. Struggle to feel positive at being 2 nil up at half time. You cant invest your feelings into something that has let you down over and over again. So you've stopped. However I also think getting older helps context. Sadly perhaps it becomes easier to think "it's just a game".

Depends by how many though. City could easily get 9 or 10 if they wanted.

I'd love to be wrong but that's the issue for me. His recent tactics and subs have actually caused us to lose games we could have got points from. If that keeps going we've got no hope. Needs a new manager to come in and flush out picking of favourites and restart relationships with any out of favour players.

Fraser was great for us last year. But exposed badly at this level. Hes clearly mates with RM which is why he came on instead of the more logical choice. That is another reason why RM needs to go...

Even at 2 nil up they were running through us fairly easily. We are so weak all over the pitch. Lots of games to go but the Derby County fans must be loving it.

How do you go from 2 nil up and holding steady, to losing 3-2..

Coming up to the time of their next goal. Last minute etc

Seems clear that whomever is manager we are way short of the standard required. Another manager could help it be slightly less embarrassing though.

I knew we'd struggle this year but it's definitely worse than I imagined. We simply can't defend. No quality in there.

Clear handball by us there right infront of the ref. He's awful!!

Loving Onuachu, clearly wants to do well and work hard. And looks alright to be fair.

2-2 and surely only going to get worse.

The decisions that have gone against us today do make you wonder.

Seconds after we should have a penalty they get one.