rallyboy

as well as the tainted cup win let's remember they bought their way out of the championship with unsustainable wages so anyone who is considering sympathy when they go into freefall should realise they are just returning to their natural position. Wenger has it right, using players you can't afford is cheating. At least we were just run into the ground by idiots!

it's about time Barclays came out and apologised for the appalling service they've been giving the club - every month there's a mistake, a corrupted file here, further delay there - the bank manager needs to explain exactly why his staff keep making these errors. And as a sponsor of the best league in the world the bank is bringing the Prem into disrepute and making one of it's established and respected clubs look silly.

if the worst happens the outstanding big loan will see the ground go into new hands, the child-maiming arms dealer will claim everything else, the administrator will be selling just the club name plus responsibility for the remaining debt to the taxman and clubs. Those debts HAVE to be paid if you want to continue as a football club - so for £10M you will get the club name, no ground, no land, a handful of player contracts that no one wants PLUS the opportunity to haggle with all kinds of loan sharks who own the stuff you need. You can rent the ground from its new owner for a few million a year so after coughing up maybe £20M you will be the proud owner of an asset-free business that can't sustain itself - a black hole. All you have to do then is take out loans secured against the tv money for league one or two. See, they do have a way out after all, it's called freefall. And on the money laundering - how about this for an idea? The arms dealer gets the club to take out loans all over the show, he takes that new cash to get his money back, the company then crashes and defaults on the loans, he's paid up thank you very much, and it's someone else's problem. But that would be trading illegally I hear the experts cry - mmmm, but has that worried them thus far?

I think you should at least pay your poor captain before bragging about the glorious 1-0 win over cash-strapped Cardiff. 'When Sol went up to lift the fa cup, he didn't get paid, he didn't get paid!' How much did that win cost? About £100M? Or the whole club? That's one expensive day out.

so we have an arms dealer on the run and a man who sued him for millions queued up behind the taxman as the two main creditors of a bankrupt club with no income, owned by arabs and fantasists, controlled by jews, with the day to day running in the hands of convicted fraudsters and those awaiting court appearances on tax evasion. What could possibly go wrong? -and they're still worried more about what goes on out on the pitch.

Does anyone know when the tickets for the world cup final in the harbourside stadium at Portsmouth actually go on sale? If they play their champions league ties in it before that I wouldn't mind seeing one of them as well, though presumably with only 70,000 available there won't be many for the casual fan.

It was a poor attendance but I'm astonished that as many fans as that still think the club's management deserve their support. 'But the club needs our cash' mutter the toothless simpletons....yeah, but the gate money isn't going into your beloved club, it's going straight out of the door to an odd collection of financers and to prop up a distant landmine factory. They may yet be able to stumble through and complete the season but the debts are just climbing with every loan and a loss of big Sky cash would surely mean instant implosion. They have to stay up to survive, obsessive gambler Storrie is down to his pants and his house keys have gone on the table now - I wonder how lucky he feels...at least he has no other worries on his mind, like being banged up.

they've been bankrupt for months, they just won't accept it. That was a massive result today for them, the money from a replay might cover Utaka's wages for a day or two. Another loan? More like another nail in the coffin. More repayments, no income, overheads spiralling even higher, less attractive to a potential buyer - insanity.

sorry pes, you seem a sensible bloke but we won't buy the 'handful', I was there and heard it, I also don't accept the fact that home fans' reactions were a factor or that Saints fans would have done the same in the circumstances - best you leave that one be, we all have our opinions on it. Either way, Ted looks happy enough now he's the right shape, and he's still waving goodbye.

was the arms dealer promised the Sky money and he now realises he isn't going to see it? I see no other reason for him paying wages for a business that cannot repay his outstanding debt, it must have been a short term emergency loan -of course he doesn't want to lose the lot but there's no sign of any significant future income. And before you say 'the next load of tv cash', it's all secured and promised already, it's gone. The business, and I use the term loosely, has no proper revenue stream, gate money and sponsorship don't cover the interest payments or one player's wages. The arms dealer is trying to minimise his losses but with no sign of any income he might be getting restless and trigger happy quite soon....

so, all of you financial experts out there, let's get into the nitty gritty as the year of implosion is now upon them. Admin seems inevitable, how is it likely to pan out on the practical side? If I'm the man with a loan secured against the ground, what happens in admin? Do I get the ground on the back of my loan agreement or do I have to wait for Mr Fry and friends to sell it and he decides who gets what? Can we then expect potential new owners to gather at the closing down sale and try and pick up the land etc to recreate a future going concern or do we think all secured assets will have been scattered across creditors by then?

I couldn't handle the hilarity of going back to the start of the thread, is it possible to pull a bladder muscle?... Been talking to my mates from the darkside today, they are resigned to relegation, angry at the criminal owners, and rightly concerned about the future. I took it easy on them but the cross-eyed, sister-bothering Bates abusers might like to note that Ted is still stood there, dignified, correctly-proportioned and do you know, he's looking out across the water to the east and waving goodbye to someone. It might have been noisy for him that night but boy has it gone quiet now! And the arms dealer's nipper has got some cheek raising questions over the true identity of the owners!!

whatever happens there will be a Portsmouth FC in 2010, the question is what division/league they will be playing in a year from now. Worst case scenario from their point of view - full financial crash, new club, no ground, Blue Square? Best case - new funding in January and they stay in the Prem. not really, there is no best case! I reckon they will end up in the championship facing continued financial woes and an inevitable relegation battle.

even when they're facing the prospect of the taxman closing the business, we still get lies and garbage as an official response. It's insulting to their dwindling fanbase who at least need someone to admit that the room is indeed full of elephants. The running of Portsmouth FC has been criminal and in weaker moments I feel that maybe sympathy should be in order....but I shrug it off quite comfortably when reminded of the arrogant abuse directed west and the hilarity of the world cup harbour stadium and Maradona fiascos. We are living through a golden era - 104 pages and counting. If Pompey go out of business and this thread ends, I'll miss the thread.

Any proper experts out there who can give us some detail on where this is likely to go? It must be a serious development, don't other creditors now have the opportunity to join the revenue's action and increase the pressure to pay? They could then need to find £30M by Feb....

please don't slag off the architecture of our stadium, you know it hurts. I remember when Crouchie rolled that penalty in, I couldn't fully celebrate knowing that the exterior of the ground was rather plain.

when Pompey doubled Crouchie's wages to get him away from a club that had massive Champions League income, the alarm bells should have been a ringing. The upcoming doomsday outcome has been entirely predictable from the first time they signed a contract they couldn't afford. Because someone is a ceo or a businessman you assume they have some credibility or skill - but this debacle, like our own, has obviously been driven by idiots of the highest order. Rivalry aside, when the dust settles someone needs to have a forensic look at their books. I was never fully convinced by the explanations for our own financial 'hiccup', one might observe that if Pompey go under, someone somewhere will have some serious questions to answer and perhaps some charges to face. I cannot believe the amount of money that seems to have washed out of the club in the last year and is now 'missing'.

January should see a few creditors getting annoyed, that's if the wages have been paid. Maybe Storrie will ride back into town with that elusive billionaire on his arm before it all gets too much and the house of cards comes down. And for the people who were saying admin will be 'a nice fresh start' - technically yes, but this specific fresh start will require a new ground for starters, the old one will have gone to creditors, as will the rest of the assets, and Fratton will be worth more as a development project than to hire to a new owner for football purposes. There will be no fresh start with a clean slate and unpaid creditors, they are all lining up ready to strip every last asset out of the remains of the football club should the bills remain unpaid. Lessons in life no 574. Don't get into bed with and then cross a man who sells landmines and machine guns for a living, one day he will want his money back, and he might just dump your torso in the Solent.

The big four of 2015 - Arsenal, Saints, Notts County and QPR....debts hving crippled Utd, Liverpool and Chelsea. Though I believe county don't actually have two pennies to rub together and Bernie refuses to buy anything that doesn't improve the hospitality area so that might not happen either. As we are currently halfway down the third tier I might have to accept just Premiership consolidation in five years time. And Champions Lge glory the following year.

that legal action could signal the start of a mad scramble for the last assets. All creditors form an orderly queue please - football clubs just behind the taxman, Premier League, Championship and then Johnny Foreigner - financial institutions and landmine suppliers next, former players, brothels, Storrie Int Holdings and the Redknapp-Mandaric offshore children's charity behind them, local businesses at the back, and the agents who are part of the problem - they can just whistle. Wait up everyone, let the administrator through to the front, he gets first shout, if there is anything there at all.... It's a crazy festive firesale giveaway, everything must go! and probably will.

hello PES, I come to you from the Saints stronghold of Fareham (!). It was nice to see some Pompey shirts in town after the Liverpool game, but they do seem to have gone back in the cupboard for another four month holiday... Talking of fickle, let's not forget that in our hour of need when the club desperately needed our money we didn't fill the ground and some people booed and left when we went behind - disloyal and damaging to the awful team we had then imo. It was just a footnote in our sad recent history but presumably those deserters were at St Marys yesterday shouting about their undying loyalty - yes, all football fans are similar - 200,000 at Southsea Common for the bus trip, three cross-eyed men and a tattooed dog at Fratton Pk now. Rivalry is healthy BUT.....the Ted Bates night, that changed everything.... Add the poisonous vitriol since our decline and suddenly there is some serious humble pie to be consumed, but there are so few blue putting their heads above the battlements now that you will all have to eat a shedload. To the few genuine football fans - I wish you 'some' well - to the people who think calling strangers 'scummers' in a shopping centre is a good thing to do, enjoy your last three weeks of solvency, and for god's sake stop fiddling with your sisters. Part of me thinks there is a businessman waiting in the wings to pick up the pieces post-admin and move the club forward in some form but the cold facts of complicated ownership, debt structure, lack of assets and income, suggest the end could really be in sight. That'll never happen people say, okay, what's going to prevent it? You still need a dim billionaire who likes losing money.

so Storrie could be looking at taking a job in Australia, in the olden days we used to send our criminals there, funny how times have changed. Next thing we'll hear is that Grant wants to get involved Down Under. Thankfully he's too old to be player manager, the last thing Pompey fans would want would be Grant making his assistant pull him off at half time.

at this time of year when there should be a lull and a meeting in the middle of the battle to swap family pix with Paul McCartney, I say merry christmas to Merov and one or two other sensible folk from the wrong side of the tracks. I won't even do the obvious jokes about the rather thin calendars and diaries they will be getting tomorrow (just the one month) - as football fans I salute you in your hour of need, you are entitled to your faith, even if it is wrong, perverted, and shared by some very odd people - repent now and join us before it's too late. And in the same festive mood I say b@llox to the gobby, cross-eyed, sister-worrying, home-tattooed, Bates-abusing, horse-trading, tarmac-laying, arms dealer-embracing, bumper ride-organising, caravan-dwelling, part-time supporting, bath-dodging, brothel-funding goons who arrogantly laughed at us, abused us in the street and boasted of billionaire arabs and world cup stadiums while we took points penalties and third tier football on the chin. You bring shame on a club that has redefined the word through criminality and seedy dealing. For the first time in many years, football is good. And may Mr Liebherr, Cortese and Pardew all have a great 2010, cos if they are all doing alright, I know I am! Judged as just a footballing force or even as a business, 2010 could be the year when there will once again only be one team in Hampshire

can we just try and get to grips with the full extent of this ongoing debacle, I'm losing track. Transfer money owed Taxman owed the arms dealer owed huge loans More huge loans owed to the other bloke Sol Campbell still owed Al Fahim will want paying off The bank Horton Heath sex scandal Storrie, Mandaric and Redknapp in court that could lead to financial irregularities The new man running the finances is a convicted fraudster The 'owner' may not actually exist Have I missed anything? I'm sure there was more than that....doesn't seem so bad when you read it quickly. John Westwood must regret walking under that ladder.

there may be a difference between 'playing' and just walking about in the same shirt as the others so they may be able to do that deal. Either way, Santa wears red and white and he's about to give us some big presents!