Saint_lambden

Dyson dickhead.

The stuff about Spors not knowing is nonsense.

Of course they do, it’s their rules we’ve broken.

Snippet from the POC I used to get info from (left in August) but still knows people at the club: Players held a meeting with Phil Parsons this morning upon arrival to training. It got pretty heated, some them accusing him of a cover-up and putting their careers in jeopardy. He said he took the view, to not reveal full extent of the spying to them so they could concentrate on the semi-final/final. Said he didn't want them to find out the verdict at the same time as everyone else but the club had no control over the announcement from the EFL. Players wanted to know who would lead the team if (in the unlikely instance) we are reinstated and play on Saturday. He wasn't able to answer that. One player (no mention of who) made the point that it shouldn't be the case that Tonda takes the team if we're reinstated as if it's all okay then. Stephens has tried to calm tensions and be mediator. Even some of the training ground staff (not in Tonda's direct team) made their voices heard. No mention of if the manager was there and took training. What a clusterf--*k.

Has the vaccum cleaner salesman not fucked off yet?

All lovely blokes, top guys* *Will correct if we’re kicked out

Correct. What the Northern Echo reporter has put there is framing and not fact. It’s written for the benefit of the Middlesbrough readership.

The full written findings would probably take quite a while to write-up, be reviewed for accuracy by all parties to ensure no factual errors, redaction of sensitive material etc. whereas given the time pressure here - the immediate verdict/sanctions needs to be communicated way beforehand.

Sorry to ask if it's been covered before, but does anyone know in the scenario that we're booted out the PO final and we appeal, whether the that appeal is heard by the same commission or would it be a separate legal team considering it?

Would be the most Saints thing ever that we still play in the final and lose it.

They’re not going to cancel the final and promote Hull straight up. That’s why they have contingency plans in place for moving the final if the legal process extends beyond Tuesday. It’s the showpiece game of the EFL.

As I said yesterday, surely that’s an argument our legal team will be using - that we’ve followed due process and complied with the investigation whilst Boro have seeked to undermine it at every opportunity by leaking information/evidence to the media (which I’d be pushing for making it inadmissible as a result) and with that statement yesterday.

I don't know but I would be going with: Internal review shown that this is not a club-orchastrated tactic to spy, just one or two bad apples who will be dealt with internally through suspension or sacking Saints not denied the charge and complied with the investigation throughout Middlesbrough played out their case through the media, including leaking photo which has big ramifications from perspective of protecting identify of the individual involved and his wellbeing (whether GDPR has been breached is unclear) Ambiguity of the 72 hour rule, it suggesting that spying before this time window is okay Filming/notes collected by the analyst were deleted and therefore not used by Saints to gain advantage Committment that no spying will take place again in the future (if it does, stronger sanctions should come our way) Despite new rule being added since, Leeds were fined £200k despite admitting to spying throughout the season vs the one case in front of the commission here, so removing us from the play-offs therefore would be signifcantly disproportionate given the £200m+ windfall as a result of winning PO final

Yep, reads like they're shooting their last shot

I'd be surprised if we even appealed a points deduction (unless it was something ridiculous like 10+ points), especially a suspended one - purely out of the relief that we'd escaped being booted out the play-offs. Dragging this out unneccessarily will just make it worse for the club and act as a distraction to preparing for next season - whatever league we're in.

Edit: Already shared above

But they may not have been aware they had been spied on at the time, and it’s only in the last few days that they would have gone back at looked at CCTV from the 2/3 days before we would have played them to see if they could spot anyone out of place (made even easier now they know his name/what he looks like etc.).

Don’t have any ITK on this. Club are keeping very tight lipped. I’m guessing we’re trying to go with the complete opposite approach of Boro in that sense and look to use that as a legal tactic of ‘they’ve been leaking to the media whilst we’ve tried to follow the proper process of disclosure’.

One of Boro's reporters checked with the EFL yesterday morning and that's what he was told.

As of yesterday, a date still hadn’t been set for any independent commission hearing.

Stefan Borson on TalkSport yesterday said he doesn't think the judgement/sanction will come until next week, which would surely be too late for play-off expulsion from a logistcal point of view (tickets, police, Wembley, EFL plans) as we would have the right of appeal to any sanction imposed, which you'd assume would add another couple of days on at least.

We're in the home kit with black shorts. Hull in home kit too.

🙃

Unless of course he knew about it happening/agreed to it, in which case he’d have to be suspended too.