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No they're not. The socialists are worse because they are more fake.

Hoddle is and always will be a c**t. I hate him with a passion for the way he treated MLT which all stemmed from the fact MLT rejected his approach when he was Chelsea manager.

I don't get charged the 3% because i'm an existing Alliance & Leicester customer. The question I really want answering is will I get a better exchange rate by paying for purchases (obviously won't use the card for cash withdrawals) with the card than by changing hard currency?

I don't think it's hidden any more.

You expect the Conservatives to be in it for themselves. But the Labour scum always have had tried to paint themselves as the party of the working class so their greed is hypocritical in much the same way as two jags and his scrubber of a wife jumping at the chance to social climb by being knighted.

It's no surprise that that fat socialist ***** is still on the take. He didn't get the nickname two jags for nothing. Pauline will love flaunting around in her posh hats.

The Socialists would kill for the chance to lord it up in Buckingham Palace. You only have to look at those two faced gits expenses claims to see that they are sponging hypocrites.

My memory is a bit sketchy but was Matts last game for England the abandoned match in Dublin?

If I win can I be a mod?

Quite and the Labour representative could explain why they didn't legislate. How many years were Labour in power?

Perhaps you and your "gang" could retrieve some quotes. Or perhaps it's better just to tell lies. The latter is the option you'll choose.

An old man with a walking stick trudges while being guided by an aide. ‘Mzee, have you been blind since childhood?,’ I curiously ask. “No,” says M’njau Ndei. “My eyes were gouged out for being a Mau Mau supporter.’ And Patrick wa Njogu, a Mau Mau general who already had one leg shot off by British troops, says after his arrest, “they would drag me around the camp by my remaining leg”. Jane Muthoni Mara, while aged 15 at the time, used to supply food to the freedom fighters. Her brother had joined the Mau Mau and when she refused to divulge information on his whereabouts, she was tortured. “He (a white man) filled a bottle with hot water and then pushed it into my private parts with his foot. I screamed and screamed,” she said. And that was not all. She and other women were made to sit with their legs stretched apart in front of white men as African guards marched over them in their army boots. After release, Jane never found her brother and had visions of torture whenever her husband approached her. Beatings and floggings were both common and constant features of camp routine, as were forced and hard labour. Hewing rocks under the burning sun, carrying buckets on the head filled with stones or overflowing with urine and faeces; or being forcibly pushed into a cattle dip full of pesticides — all were enforced with kicks and blows from truncheons and rifle butts. [..] Wambugu wa Nyingi relates how Gavaghan ordered inmates to walk on gravel on their knees with their hands up for long distances. New detainees were tied upside down from their feet and beaten whilst cold water was poured on them. Some of the detainees would start the “Mau Mau moan”, a cry of symbolic defiance which would be taken up by the rest of the camp. The leader who started it would be put on the ground, a foot placed on his throat and mud stuffed in his mouth and finally knocked unconscious. Many who survived the beatings died from diarrhoea and typhoid. Others went mad. The concerned British voices largely went unheard. Labour MP Barbara Castle complained about the cover-ups and was kept informed by Kenya’s assistant police commissioner Duncan McPherson. The latter said conditions in the camps were far worse than anything he had experienced as a prisoner of war for four-and-a-half years under the Japanese. A Kenyan judge, Arthur Cram, compared them to the “infamous Nazi labour camps”.

Now now bungle, we're both Libservatives so let's be friends.

Perhaps you memory is clouded. You did say I believed in Social Darwinism and you were wrong about that. Deal in facts VFTT, not lies.

It matters because a member of the Labour Party should explain to the British people why they have left us riddled with debt.

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Try again. I'm not talking about internment camps such as the Isle of Man.

Is he a Labour MP or member of the shadow cabinet?

Mind not mine, but I agree Wilts needs to think outside his politically correct box.

Your argument countered my argument so there was no need to recounter what you had said, suffice to say that I am right and you are wrong.

To be fair John Redwood was represnting the Libservatives.

Of course you won't, because I am right.

Please remember that VFTT is a stuck record and that i've already explained that I do not subscribe to Social Darwinisn but do believe in Darwinism. Also I have never said the NAZI's were misunderstood, only stated their actions were no different to the British Empires actions. We even had concentration camps - but it's not something that is widely realised and the said concentration camps we ran were post 1945!

You have no counter argument I see. I say it how it is and you don't like it.