Unbelievable Jeff

Oh, and i like Rhod Gilbert...

Interesting. Good to know.

ORLY?

Now this is comedy: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=107926751

Cool, fair enough.

Bad AIDS?

I just don't get Mrs Browns Boys, or Miranda. Have to say I'm not a big fan of the Mighty Boosh either, just don't get Noel Fielding. Personally, I enjoy: Jason Manford Jack Whitehall Sean Lock John Richardson Simon Amstell Mickey Flanaghan David Mitchell Lee Mack

I think a video was made of it. In response to SOG, she says she can't remember anything from the night, including giving oral and having sex with the first bloke I believe. That's where the inconsistency is.

That is awful

Where did I say it does? I certainly wouldn't say that as it's been 8 years since I picked up a Law textbook and i am way out of practice for that. Effectively your arguing with no-one here, and certainly not me, which is why it seems to me that you're inventing things so you can have a go at me. From what you have said above does that mean we're not allowed to speculate on it all? How about the OJ case, are we not allowed to speculate on that either? I didn't realise you were all for sensorship. Also, you can level a lot at me, but wrong during the Summer, I think not. All about keeping your head whilst the others around you lose theirs.

Oh completely, it's bad that it's that low.

I'm very surprised that any club would take him on. He should have the right to be a footballer, but no club should take him on.

Sorry Shurlock, what part of my argument are you disagreeing with? Where have I said the facts are not known? I have mentioned I do not know all the facts, but that's it. And what Latin did I use in that post? Seems like your usual "It's UJ posting, I MUST disagree with everything he says cos he made me look like an idiot in the Summer" rhetoric. The only reason I talked about my 'credentials' was due to the fact that I wanted to explain why I am looking at this unemotionally, no other reason but that. I was then accused of dropping out because I didnt know 'nonce' applied to BOTH paedophiles and sex offenders.

The conviction rate for rape is very low due to the difficulty in convicting rapists as it such a subjective thing. Hopefully the media coverage of this guilty conviction won't do what you say and allow girls to feel protected in this situation.

First of all, I most certainly did not drop it. I studied tort, media, property, contract and lastly criminal law, and funnily enough, prison slang never came up. I am going to make an assumption here that you never went to university, as you seem to have no idea what you learn about at university when doing a degree. One thing you don't tend to learn about is slang used in prison - you don't learn about prisons when doing a law degree - why would you? It's like doing a physics degree and then learning about stand terms used at the Science Museum. Just to let you know, the first thing you learn in Law is the route through the Courts, and essentially the fact that you can appeal convictions, against what the judge and jury have concluded, which is far by abiding by it UNTIL all avenues have been exhausted. I love the fact you think I'm defending him. I will repeat this for about the 10th time on this thread as you seem to have an issue with reading - I assumed you dropped out of school before you finished - I THINK CHED EVANS IS GUILTY. However, I think the fact that his mate was found 'not guilty' could lead to his conviction being quashed - but we will see. His lawyers, far better legal minds than you or I obviously think this too. From what you are saying there has never been a miscarriage of justice (and I'm not saying there has here) in the history of the courts. You honestly believe that? I don't really even know why I am replying to you, you are yet to write a decent riposte, and you don't seem to be able to accept nuances in peoples writing. But there we are, I will try, but I assume I'll get the normal 'my god, you're a ****ing nonce mush, can't believe you want CE to rape your mum as you obviously think she forced herself on him innit' response.

Oh, I see what you mean. More the pressure of others around, I see that.

Not at all, as he can't prove it either way.

Cheers Bearsy, I won't then just for you.

But if she was not in the state to give consent to CE then she was surely not in a state two hours earlier to give consent. I cannot remember fully but I believe that no alcohol was consumed after entering the room, and she was compus mentus enough to be giving oral to the first bloke. The biggest issue is she said she couldn't remember if she consented to CE, and the thought is that as she says she couldn't remember she wasn't in a state to consent. But what if CE was under the impression, 100%, that she consented?

I agree, that bit is not devils advocate, that is my opinion. In regards to the case, my opinion is he is guilty, but if he is guilty then so is the other guy, and i guarantee if they were tried together they would both be guilty. But that sort of inconsistency can see appeals become succesful, and that is the worry in this situation. I have said many times on this thread that I haven't read the full case notes, but surely people can still judge even though we don't have 100% of the facts (see post 451). However, I also think OJ was guilty, and i didn't read all those case notes. In fact unless we are in possession of 100% of facts in ALL situations are you saying we are not allowed to form opinions? A little bit of a dangerous precedent to set.

Oh no, actual suicide. And I was effectively murdered previously...

And that he may be. But as a law graduate (as a minor mind) you learn to look directly at the facts and not at the emotional part of things and I personally find the judgement inconsistent. If he is subsequently found not guilty through a successful appeal will he still be a nonce? Also, and not trying to denigrate it, at least she cannot remember any of it whatsoever, so there should be no lasting psychological damage to her.

How the hell have you come to that conclusion? Read my other posts before coming to ridiculous conclusions please.

But how do they know, 2 hours later, when conceivable she had sobered up more, that she did not consent to sex with him. There must be additional evidence that you or I haven't read.

Correct.