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Ummm... You didn't swear! Just told me I wasn't smart enough. You OK?

Really. You know when you're struggling when you resort to personal insults. Sonny... Lol ... If only you knew.

Yes, yes you should for more reasons than you think you should.

Jeez. If it's not spelt out in big letters for you, you just can't see it can you. It seems to be a trait of yours. Unless someone says "I don't understand that all religions are capable of breeding extremism" then to you, they're not saying it. Bizarre.

Do you have a problem with reading? Let me explain.., Hypo asked me to find a post justifying what I had said and if I couldn't then I should apologise. I found one, which just happened to be yours. I'm therefore not asking him to apologise for something you said but to apologise for accusing me of claiming that no one had suggested what I had said they had said. Simples.

But just to make it blatantly clear, it's Hypo that should be apologising and no doubt he will feel obliged to do so soon having demanded one himself if I couldn't provide him with the information he requested.

I'm not going to repeat the last load of posts. It's all there if you want to read it.

Read the thread

How about this one? I await your apology.

I don't protect anyone which supports homophobia, racism or sexism but to suggest that the Koran is alone in that is naive in the extreme. The Bible has plenty of examples of homophobia and sexism and the barriers around this are still being argued within churches now. Quite what that has to do with the subject matter of the thread though, I don't know.

Exactly where has that been said Whelk? I read some of your earlier posts on this thread and they made sense but your latest posts seem like the ramblings of a confused man. I'm happy to criticise those that need criticising but there are many people on here who seemingly blame Muslims ad nauseum for anything and the references to other atrocities are attempts to show that it's not just extremist Muslims that are capable of such things, extremists of all religions are capable of horrific deeds. I'm not sure why you and Hypo have trouble understanding that. No one's 'having a go' at Christianity or Judaism but merely making the point to those that struggle to understand, that there are extremists is all religions to give some perspective.

The reason it doesn't seem so is merely because ISIS don't have the resources in Europe to do so. If they had, then that would clearly be their aim. It's been their aim in the middle east for some time where many thousands of Muslims have been killed because they're Shia rather than Sunni Muslims: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/u-s-weighs-genocide-label-1298023405674550.html Many many more Muslims have been killed by ISIS that non-Muslims hence the reason we see people desperate to escape their grasp. The sooner ISIS is destroyed the sooner these horrific actions will cease.

I believe one of the aims of ISIS is indeed genocide, of all 'non-believers'. Their modus operandi might be different but their goal is not.

Unfortunately your reservations were proved right.

Do you live in some sort of make believe world where you imagine you answer everyone's questions and they don't answer yours? Must be a bit weird.

Here we go again. Post #2293. Hark at the fella who doesn't answer anyone's questions complaining that no one answers his questions.

I'm not sure I told you to broaden your mind did I? My comment was to SM. Not sure why you took offence to it. I'm sorry if you took offence to my having expressed the same views as others might have done previously, maybe they needed reiterating? Also not sure I've taken any superior moral high ground. Just saying it as I see it. If you happen to see those views as superior to others then fill your boots but they're not my words.

****ing hell. What rock did you crawl out from under and thanks for your contribution - very worthwhile and incisive. You must be very proud of yourself (just to justify the patronising *** comment).

That wasn't the question and that wasn't the answer. But I can see how you only see what you want to see. Any answer to the question about who 'they' are yet by the way? No, thought not but I think it's quite clear what you meant.

To be fair, it's not just Soggy and I. If you look back a few pages there are a good few rational posters on here that share the same view of SMs posts in particular but he's not alone. I'm surprised that you can't see it to be honest.

Still not answering the question then.

No ... no, you haven't. The question was who are 'they'? You have failed to answer that but given that your comments were in respect of Islam and it is fair to say that a religion can't 'blow up people on a huge scale' then presumably you refer to the followers of Islam, who by definition are Muslims. To answer your question ... maybe broaden your mind and realise that there are extremists/fundamentalists in all religions. Try reading this as an example: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/comparing-republican-christian-values-to-islamic-fundamentalism/ and a quick google of christian terrorism will also answer your question. Try it with the other religions too and see what you get.

So who is the 'they' then SM? The followers of Islam?

In what way do you find them to be extreme then?

As SMs comment was in response to a post about the followers of Islam as a religion then the 'they' he refers to can only be referring to that group of people. Nowhere in his comment did he refer to extremists so I don't see why you would assume that's who he was referring to. No doubt SM will be along to clear all this up and confirm that he has no problems with Muslims living in the UK.