Guided Missile

You're hilarious. I grow wheat and this year, rapeseed. A £250k combine pops in to harvest the crop, takes the seeds to a merchant who weighs them and puts them in a silo, with all the other farmers seeds who can't afford a £250k combine. If I slapped a non-GM label on the combine before it left my farm, there would be a remote chance that a few of the seeds may be mixed with any GM labelled seeds left in the silo. That may alarm idiots like you who think that consuming GM seeds, or animals that have eaten them, would cause a health problem, but no one outside the EU gives a sh!t, because they only care about affordable food, not what they read in the Guardian. "Transgenic contamination"? Mate, stop googling and stop digging the hole you're in any deeper.

Cry me a river...

Alright, I'll respond. Trump, who is the Leader of a country that imports less German cars than the UK, threatens a 25% tariff on them. Junker gets on the first plane, kisses Trump on the cheek and offers a trade deal. I don't give a f*** who won that particular deal, as both of them would want to claim victory. My post wasn't about the EU vs the US, it was about May vs Trump. You see May, who is the Leader of a country that imports more German cars than any other country, threatens to do f*** all apart from offering a more generous trade deal with the EU, than Trump ever offered. May then gets on the first plane to the South of France, kisses Macron on the cheek and makes a fool of herself. Still, forget trade deals and tell me about the "genetic contamination" again. I need a laugh...

If it's all the same, I'll go with the opinion of 108 Nobel laureates, than the "genetic contamination" b0ll0x you have obviously read in a leaflet somewhere. You must have failed every science exam you ever took, because you haven't a clue what "genetic contamination" is. I guess you mean cross pollination. That only occurs between very closely related species and has been going on for thousands of years. In the case of GM crops, it's like worrying that a field of fruit trees will "contaminate" or pollinate an adjoining field of barley and the next year you'll end up with a field of apples, rather than barley. It seems that the EU politicians are as dumb as you.

I am well aware of that. The increase in the amount of GM soya imported from the US, rather than Brazil, who are now replacing the US in selling to China now, is new. What is an old argument is the crass hypocrisy of the EU for banning the cultivation of GM crops in Europe on food safety grounds and importing more GM crops, to benefit German car manufacturers. I am all ears for a cogent argument justifying their anti-technology argument on GM crops. The only comfort I've got, is they've screwed all the anti-GM NGO's, like Greenpeace. They were warned 2 years ago: Still, WTF does James Watson know?

I wasn't talking to you, numbnuts, but replying to the post below from badger: I replied: The below article might help you understand the point: ...now get back in your box before you make a total tool of yourself.

We need to change. This country is now full of bleeding heart liberals intent on selling our country and what made it great, down the river.

Trump took the risk and it paid off in about a week...

Where would we be, if the £500 billion we sent to Brussels had been invested in UK infrastructure, the NHS and technology, rather than it enabling the tax dodging Greeks, Irish and Italians to buy "expensive designer clothes and lovely cars"?

During that period, Merkel sent Jean-Claude Drunker over to see Trump and beg him not to impose 25% tariffs on German cars. In return he promised that the EU would buy US soybeans, in fact GM soybeans, a variety that cannot legally be cultivated in the EU. What a principled organisation they are. Unsurprisingly, the diminishing prospect of a trade war between the EU and the US boosted the euro. Ban GM crops to protect French farmers and then import them from the US to protect German car companies. More German cars are exported to the UK than anywhere else. Why May feels unable to threaten a 25% import tariff on German cars unless we get a decent trade deal with the EU is beyond me. May has to go and we have to leave this corrupt organisation which, it is obvious to anyone that watches the attitude of the EU, during our trade negotiations, has been set up to benefit the French and Germans. Of course, there are many quislings on this forum that think that it is fair for the EU to treat the UK as they are. I just happen to think that, after contributing around £500 billion to the failed continental political experiment the EU has become, the UK government may be a little more aggressive in their trade negotiations. As in, "Jog on, Barnier, you get no more from us and we'll take our chances in EFTA. We may then consider granting a decent bilateral free-trade agreement with the EU, so that your German paymasters can continue to sell £26 billion more a year to us than we sold to them."

It's not been doing that bad against the euro. If we had Trump instead of May negotiating, it would be doing much better.

Behave, Gramps... a recession isn't here and there is no sign of one. If there was a sign, the BoE wouldn't have raised interest rates, would they?

Totall b0ll0x from Mark Carney who was predicting a recession that never happened, before the vote in June. 3 months before the referendum in the UK, the ECB was doing this: Draghi is still buying Italian bonds... All down to Brexit, innit...

I'm more worried about Nicholas Cage movies, than Brexit:

I thought that it was pretty obvious, given the tripe I was responding to and I thought you lot were pretty clever, compared to us knuckle dragging Brexiteers...

I'm aware of that. The point was, that the poster suggested that the UK QE was somehow related to the Brexit vote. It obviously wasn't. Just for your information, the EU didn't vote to leave the EU.

UK QE Cost since 2008: £435bn EU QE Cost since 2008: €2.4tn

I assume you're referring to the massive ECB QE injection to prop up the EU's economy.

I just re-read this and you're right. I do try and equate "border controls between Schengen countries and The UK" as "having control of our borders". I have to admit that I'm having trouble understanding in what way I am confused. I'm willing to learn...

Austria, Denmark, France, Germany and Sweden have introduced border controls on the basis of "security" concerns. It won't be a temporary measure, take it from me.

...and you know, this is the thing I can't understand. I thought that free movement was restricted to the Schengen area. Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein are not EU members, but belong to the Schengen area, so they can be travelled in the same way as the EU. The United Kingdom, Ireland, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Croatia and Romania are EU countries but they are not in the Schengen agreement. Even more difficult to understand is that some of the countries in the Schengen area are restricting free movement (highlighted in bold): Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. ...so, surely all the UK do is join EFTA, do a Norway and then do an Austria, Denmark, France, Germany or Sweden and introduce border controls. Germany will soon have to have permanent border controls if Merkel is to survive and Italy won't be far behind, together with Hungary.

Talk about making a trade agreement molehill into a political mountain. My initial response to the leave vote, over two years ago: If anyone in the UK government has a better idea than this at the moment, I'm all ears. EFTA have already rolled out the welcome mat:

I would....

Hopefully, our useless government will read this excellent article in today's Sunday Times by Irwin Stelzer regarding Drunker's recent begging trip to the US. ...and...

"Italy’s deputy prime minister today accuses the European Union of trying to “swindle” Britain out of the Brexit that the public voted for. In an exclusive interview with The Sunday Times, Matteo Salvini urges Theresa May to adopt a tougher stance in her Brexit negotiations with the EU, saying: “My experience in the European parliament tells me you either impose yourself or they swindle you.” The far-right interior minister, a former MEP and considered Italy’s most powerful politician, says May should be prepared to walk away without a deal: “Because on some principles there is no need to be flexible and you should not go backwards.” He also accuses the EU of trying to punish the UK for voting to leave the bloc: “There is no objectivity or good faith from the European side.” The leader of the anti-immigrant League party made an extraordinary intervention as May dispatched members of her cabinet across Europe to sell her Chequers deal." I like this guy and when we lead the charge out of the EU, Italy will follow, in a stampede with the rest...