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[RedArmy]

Just now, Turkish said:

Les Reed was actually good for Cortese, stopped him making a few stupid decisions, like sacking Adkins after the Reading game. Reeds issues started when Koeman left as he thought he’d cracked the code of football. 

His problem was thinking he had much to do with it in the first place. 
When you look at the important signings we made during that period, a lot of them are clearly heavily influenced by the Koemans (either Dutch or from the Dutch league) 

The one he could probably have taken credit for if he hadn’t fucked it up so spectacularly would have been Alderweireld. 

 

[Badger]

6 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Les Reed was actually good for Cortese, stopped him making a few stupid decisions, like sacking Adkins after the Reading game. Reeds issues started when Koeman left as he thought he’d cracked the code of football. 

Reed also believed his own publicity too much.

Praised for the conveyor belt of talent coming through and media talk of it being like Ajax. Completely glossing over the fact Ajax have breakthrough players year after year, not a Shearer in 1987 and Walcott in 2005, and Bale a few years later. 

He believed both he and his system/black box was invincible and clearly better placed than some random Dutch geezer (no matter what he achieved as a player) to take the club forward. Despite the fact it was largely Koeman’s connections that helped rebuild in 2014. 

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

His problem was thinking he had much to do with it in the first place. 
When you look at the important signings we made during that period, a lot of them are clearly heavily influenced by the Koemans (either Dutch or from the Dutch league) 

The one he could probably have taken credit for if he hadn’t fucked it up so spectacularly would have been Alderweireld. 

 

I don’t disagree with that but he also got us Koeman in the first place when the club was in disarray and after Cortese and then Pochetino fucked off with the later telling senior players they should leave 

Just now, Badger said:

Reed also believed his own publicity too much.

Praised for the conveyor belt of talent coming through and media talk of it being like Ajax. Completely glossing over the fact Ajax have breakthrough players year after year, not a Shearer in 1987 and Walcott in 2005, and Bale a few years later. 

He believed both he and his system/black box was invincible and clearly better placed than some random Dutch geezer (no matter what he achieved as a player) to take the club forward. Despite the fact it was largely Koeman’s connections that helped rebuild in 2014. 

He did towards the end, yes but he was also instrumental in our rise. He got us Adkins and Koeman had a hand in Pochetino and got made some very good signings. The problems began when he was the only person in a leadership role at the club with any experience in football. In Koeman he also had a strong character in charge of the team, but when he went Les had free reign which is never good for any business 

[Badger]

Yes, I’d also accept his part in our rise, but it did seem he was overtaken by his own ego. Which as you say Turkish coincided with Koeman’s departure (perhaps also a factor in it). 

[RedArmy]

19 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I don’t disagree with that but he also got us Koeman in the first place when the club was in disarray and after Cortese and then Pochetino fucked off with the later telling senior players they should leave 

 

He absolutely gets credit for hiring Koeman, it’s one of the best decisions this club has ever made. 
But he also has to take responsibility for letting him go to Everton off the back of a top 6 finish which started the downward spiral.