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Love a white kit. Can't stand the stacked badges. Understand why they do it, but just think it looks really poor. I can imagine the designer saying "so, what do we do with the badges then?". Hate the thickness of the black vertical lines. Cheapens the whole design. Have to say I much prefer how the shirt looks with the Utilia sponsorship. Hummel really do the best keeper shirts by miles. Looks great.

Ok. He covers the ground like Kante.

What do you mean by exposed? Showed up as not being good enough? City being exposed on the break is exactly why they have signed him. He covers the ground like Morgan used to (and what we badly miss ourselves). Leeds were a completely different side with and without him. With 60 games a season I suspect he'll play a fair few.

Everyone says he is the nuts. Does that end Newcastle's interest in Salisu?

I was going to say something similar. How did they go down? They murdered us at their place.... Weghorst has been mentioned too, although I don't think many Burnley fans were impressed come the end of the season. Cork has been mentioned on here at least once since they went down. You can certainly add Nathan Collins to that list, as he's one that I've mentioned a few times. Is Connor Roberts any good? Cracking goal against us, but not really seen him myself. Almost a full team... Pope Roberts Mee Tarkoski Collins Cork Brownhill McNeil Weghorst Cornet

So, apart from the ones that were without question successful, those that were young (the discussion was about whether any signed relegated players had done OK afterwards, not if any older relegated players had done well), those that Barcelona sign on loan and the ones that have played in the top flight for years after they were relegated/signed (is that not success?)...what have relegated players ever done for the Prem? 😉 You have a point though. Its not a huge list. Many more were signed and certainly didn't work out. Charlie Austin for starters (and some would say McCarthy). As with all signings, you have to pick the right ones. When West Ham went down in 2003, Joe Cole, Jemaine Defoe, Glenn Johnson and Carrick all were acquired. Sometimes teams have genuine talent AND go down. Even we had Peter Crouch... I'm certainly not advocating signing Mee. I think Collins is the guy to get. BTW Sessegnon has been first choice for Spurs since January. Seems to be doing OK. I'd certainly have him here.

like Djemeno, he kept getting the ball stuck under his feet a lot, which slowed all attacks down to a standstill. A sure sign of a lack of confidence. If he gets his confidence back though, maybe he can become the Ings Mark II we all want.

That's quite a burn. My point being, I see the phrase `not given a fair crack of the whip' and I simply don't agree with it. He was given a long run in the side, but he and he alone failed to take that chance. His confidence fade away and from then on Broja was by far the better option. Maybe he ought to have been picked ahead of Long right towards the end of the season. I agree with you though that he might be worth another look. I don't think Che was any better in his first season. He also is not the second coming, but Saints fans seem reasonably happy with him, so a reasonable bar.

Essien. What a player. Certainly not the first name that came to mind when thinking of Diallo's best role.

yep. Not sure thats gonna happen.

he started 12 of the first 14 games. Scored twice, three assists. He was pretty poor in the last four games, so was rightly dropped to the bench, where upon he featured in five of next 7 (starting only once), but was pretty shite in all of those games too (0 goals or assists). He had a pretty decent crack of the whip. From Feb through April he hardly figured, with only 3 sub appearances. Perhaps he ought to have been given a few more chances. He started 2 of the last 3...but not dojng a great deal to be honest. He had the shirt, but to be honest he failed and no one was to blame but himself. You could argue he should have got a few more appearances in the Spring, but his confidence seemed gone - so unless he shined in training, why would he get selected? Long should not have started ahead of him towards the end of the season IMO, but again, unless Armstrong showed he was back on it in training, why give him the nod?

I don't think there's been any in recent years, but if you go back there have been a few plucked from relegation sides that have done OK afterwards Jonny Evans, Fabianski, Jordan Ayew, Shaquiri, Sessegnon, Pickford, Maguire, Robertson, Adama Traore, Wijnaldum, Townsend, Ings, Trippier, McCarthy...

he was woeful in some of the run in games. Couldn't control the football. Terrible. I think everyone was expecting big things, but he was a total bust IMO. I hope he comes good this season. Wouldn't bet my house on it.

he cant play DM. Or at least from what I have seen so far he can't. Positionally doesn't have a clue. He's got something, but I have yet to see him dominate a game. He is a pale comparison of the player he looked in the youtube videos.

Grillitsch is linked with Fiorentina and Roma. Available on a free. I don't recall Laimer from euro 2020, but he certainly looks like he can play.

Looks classy. Not sure we are great opponents though.

With you. When we were looking for CBs last summer, he looked the standout CB. Really committed and powerful player. Are we not done at CB though?

Yep. Loan equals end of Saints career. No one is gonna buy him this summer. I can't see us giving him a new contract this summer - not done enough last season to justify a new one. Maybe he stays this season and we see how things go before making a decision on him, `relatively' safe in the knowledge that if he plays and impresses and we offer a contract, he won't then snub us.

yes, but didn't we have £26m of the loan left unspent in the bank, so cash flow was perhaps never going to be as big a problem this summer as it was previously. Not sure that has anything to do with the new owners. When it comes to paying that loan off, things will get interesting.

Wasn't he part of that very good Austria side in Euro 2020? I am trying to remember who shined in that side. Wasn't it his long haired team mate Grillitsch that stood out? Is he available this summer too?

big powerful player, but haven't Sheffield got another parachute payment year, so perhaps could afford to keep him, all be it his value will start to drop off a cliff. Currently two years left on his contract.

We have struggled to bring young CBs through our youth system, so buying lots of them might actually be a wise move, depending on the size of their wages.

after a reasonable start he quickly los his confidence and without that you are never going to score goals in the Prem. Can he get that confidence back and flourish? Adams lost confidence in his first season and given time he got into a relative groove and now has his fans on here. Can we afford to risk that he will come good? I guess it depends what the offer might be for Armstrong from elsewhere and who else we can bring in. I wonder what Ralph thinks of him really. He rightly dropped him, when his confidence went, but in the run in he didn't give him too many chances, which might suggest he has seen enough. His comments about him suggest otherwise, but what he says in press conferences doesn't necessary mean much.

I agree with this He's extremely lightweight in the air too. How many below average CBs do we need?

could not agree with you more. When Newcastle offered £40m for Salisu in January we should have offered a new deal right there and then and if he didn't sign it we should have sold him. I thunk his lack of agent at the time made that tricky. I can see him walking on a free, which would be a nightmare financially.