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Not sure which Forest games you've watched, but Spence has stood out in the games I've watched. Going forward he's very good, with skills and pace. In that Arsenal game you mention, defensively he looked a little exposed, but that has not been the case against Championship opposition. Forest have played with 5 at the back a fair bit, which gives him a licence to bomb forward. Since Cooper came in, Forest have been much more attacking and Spence has benefited from that From what I am told by my brother in law, most Boro fans are surprised he was loaned out and there have been widespread calls to bring him back in January. Spence however isn't keen and wants to see the season out at Forest, as he's enjoyed it so much. Keep in mind that it was Warnock that didn't fancy him and Boro were utter shite under him. £12m has been mentioned, but he's only got 18 months left on his contract, so Boro will be lucky to get that unless it's right now.

I wonder what the philosophy of the new owner/management team is relating to agents fees, especially when dealing with out of contract, but in demand players? Previously we haven't managed to pick up too many out of contract players, which can be for any number of reasons, not least that we might not have wanted them, but perhaps the huge agents fee required these days (not to mention larger player wages) has put us off? If you are simply paying the multi millions to the agent/player in a signing on fee, rather than a transfer fee to the selling club, the total cost of ownership might exceed that of an alternative, `in contract' player. Carvalho for example, will no doubt be far from free. You let you contract run down for a reason - massive signing on fee and much bigger wage, compensating for the lack of a transfer fee. Maybe its time to start reporting these deals as complete packages, including all costs, as was the case with the recent `Harland to Real Madrid £292m package' news story that did the rounds.

I've lost count the number of times he's got the ball stuck under his feet. Injured from the off, lots of niggling injuries thereafter and a failure to take the chances offered him so far. Still only 23, but with 18 months left on his contract he needs to do something in the second half of the season, otherwise we'd be looking to offload in the summer to try and recoup a few bob of the £14m we spent. Doubt anyone is going to pay a fee though. They'll just sign him on loan and then pick him up for free the summer after.

getting an exciting young player on a `free'. Sounds too good to be true. Can't recall us managing to grab talent like that before. Perhaps the Livramento signing will stand us in great stead if we are genuinely interested. Lots of nice stuff on the youtube video. We badly need to upgrade Djenepo.

gotto say, certainly nothing to gain by making the move right now. May as well wait until the summer. He can consider his route to the first team at Chelsea depending on their transfer dealings, look for another loan, perhaps at a bigger club than us and who knows, the likes of Spurs, West Ham etc. might come in for him, giving Broja a stack of options. This as got a `Lukaku-WBA loan-Everton sale' type outcome written all over it.

I had to Google it. I totally forgot that Tom Heaton was seeing out his career with a big club third choice keeper contract. Henderson is going nowhere. He might want a move, but United are never gojng to allow it in January.

I am not saying you are wrong about how they have used him, he was certainly pushed out wide far too quickly, but the long and short of it is, when he has had decent goalscoring opportunities, and there have been quite a lot, on the whole, he just has not taken them. A lot of that is down confidence, which seemed to go pretty quickly. There have been a few spells when he looked like he was back on his game, but not many. Get the fully confident Werner and you'll get that one in two striker. That might require a move as he wasn't exactly given a second chance, in the form of a long run of games down the middle when Lukaku was injured. However, someone that signs for Chelsea for £48m won't be on wages that we could afford, probably even if they paid half!

played well first half, less so second. No need to feel downbeat. On another day we'd get something from the game. Some tough games coming up, but we're playing OK.

None of that has any bearing on the discussion as to whether we could do better with the funds brought in through his sale. We bought him for £5m. Sell him for £15m (for example) and maybe we can sign a better player than we did. Of course our chat changes nothing, but I have no idea why you come to a forum if it is not to discuss the abilities of players at the club.

maybe we coach out the `gambling' (I doubt it), but not sure we ever make him really strong in the air. He hides a bit.

very fair point. KWP to come back in next game?

A couple of words about Lyanco's performance. His control of the football and passing was absolutely outstanding yesterday. Very silky and top quality stuff. With the ball he is very impressive at times. However, I stand by my statement that he is not a great defender. Check out how he gets done by Silva prior to Traore blazing over the bar or the pointless foul he gives away for the free kick they score from. I guess I'm probably looking for things to bash him with, as I've said I don't think he's a good defender, but its not hard to find examples of poor defensive play. All players make mistakes though and Fonte used to make those in the early days and Salisu does too. What concerns me more, possibly, is his inability to dominate in the air. He is lightweight in that area.

I love the effort. He may lack star quality, but he certainly works his socks off. To be fair to him yesterday, the Wolves box tended to be packed with defenders. One thing I noticed was that he was willing to shoot with his right foot. Not a bad effort in the first half. Didn't know he had a right peg. Encouraging. Maybe he is a better player than I have given him credit for.

You feIt sorry for him? When you have assessed McCarthy's errors were you as generous and mild in your criticism? For what its worth, I didn't feel sorry for him, although it was the non existent effort by Che to challenge Kilman for the header that exposed his error. Che does his job, Forster gets away with it. It was a poor decision and demonstrates why his Saints career has been spent glued to his line. He doesn't know what he is doing when coming off it. Why he chose to yesterday, I will never know. And Forster's decision to come had absolutely nothing to do with the Wolves players getting the benefit of poor VAR offside decision. He came because he thought he could get it not because he saw Kilman had got a fraction head start and was thus not going to win the header. VAR should have escaped his blushes.

Redmond was OK in the first half. Tella seemed to struggle. If he wanted to retain the shape he could have swapped Armstrong for Diallo. He changed the shape because we were behind and not creating much. Also Diallo was shit, so he took him off. That's my take on the sub/change.

Diallo was rubbish the first half IMO. Did fuck all. Looked lost. Stood around. Didnt work nearly hard enough. Deserved to be yanked off.

I was being sarcastic because this morning people on here were suggesting Bednarek was just fine and we couldn't possibly improve on him if we only had the money his sale brought in to replace him. We have one of the leakiest back fours in the league. Some of these players can't be top notch.

I think you miss my point. The person marking him has no idea if he is on or offside, so should be doing his job, which is challenging for the header. He didn't, the goal was scored and then it was down to VAR. That let us down, but win the header and then what happens from there is they don't score. We should therefore blame both the defending and VAR. I've not seen a replay. I might be wrong and he was challenged, but it didnt look that way.

Solid defensive side Wolves. Unsurprisingly, we created a little, but not a huge amount. Sadly, our defensive unit is not as good, athough every player we have is just fine, apparently. No improvements are needed. None at all.

Massive error, but see who is marking Kilman or in that area and how much effort they put in to win the header. We just don't win headers from those deep freekicks.

The five man defence was working ok. I'd of done the Tella/KWP switch but should have taken a CB off if he was going to 4-4-2. We offered nothing down the right with bednarek out there.

maybe so, but by a fraction - which begs the question why isnt a CB or whoever challenging the header. Forster will get the blame, but piss poor defending ensured his mistake was punished. Three CBs on the pitch. One of them ought to going for the header.

I want to see the second goal again. Why is Kilman getting a free header? Defending of set pieces is woeful. Almost everyone from deep is a near thing.

one day one of his crosses will go near a Saints player. Ignore me. Annoyed at that defeat. He worked hard and got forward well.

it was a foul.