CB Fry

You don't get that we do not have a case. The FL just want us to shut us up so they can get on with running a football competition. The FL would walk through one appeal, two appeals, ten appeals. Take it to the f*cking pope. We would never win, we have no case whatsoever.

But your point about employers offering less etc etc makes my point for me. An employer forcing an employee to sign a compromise agreement for less than statutory redundancy is illegal and unreasonable. So obviously illegal and wouldn't stand up in court. What the league are asking us to do is not unreasonable and definitely not illegal. It will be a compromise agreement. And of course if you did have a compromise agreement you were happy with, it wouldn't stop you from going to court if you changed your mind. But you would probably lose. Which is what Leeds did. Southampton Football Club (lets call it Guantanamo FC because its diddums human rights have been so terribly violated) could do the same and would also lose. The league I am sure will put "your statutory rights will not be affected" on the contract, just like you get on crisp packets.

Sorry, it isn't. This is a sporting league run as a members club. Not the Khmer Rouge. And you'll notice I didn't mention the 10 points on my post. The league have given us reasonable condition of entry to the league.

What?? What do you think Pinnacle have been doing for the past two months if you think they haven't done a deal to take on the stadium debt? They obviously have done a deal with Aviva, but it won't be for Aviva's benefit, will it.

But actually, it isn't. "Join our league on these conditions, which relate to rules your predecessor broke, or don't join our league". Not an incredibe abuse of power in anyone's language. If TL and co can find us a better league to play in, then he should go right ahead and fill his boots. In other news, Saints playing debt-free in a £30m stadium we paid £10m for in the end is an "incredible abuse of power" against a creditor backed into a position of chosing between not many (rubbish) options including sitting on a worthless empty second hand football stadium.

My response to the above is the excellent point below. We'll be debt free with a £30m stadium we paid about £10m for at the end of this when it comes. Where's the natural justice for our creditors, then?

No it doesn't. Poncing about whining about "natural justice" is not the behaviour we were expecting from Pinnacle. Take the ten points, ******** to appealing it, ******** to "natural justice" - we can't win, ever, ever ever - and get on with buying this club, or p*ss off out of it. I am starting to believe Pinnacle might just be full of sh*t.

Not really, people get made redundant every week in this country by signing "compromise agreements" with their employers. Said employee agrees not to challenge or "appeal" if you like their dismissal, and employer agrees to pay x amount as compensation. If you think the FL are saying "you must not appeal" in writing then you are daft. But they are saying "you can join the league on these conditions". Not illegal in the slightest.

I think people are worrying too much about this kind of thing. SLH will no longer exist come the takeover, and no, the football league isn't going to ask for creditors to be settled twice over, once for SLH and once for SFC. This whole affair is getting frankly ridiculous - the ten points was non negotiable 80 days ago, and non negotiable 21 days ago. Pinnacle using it now to buy even more time is seriously, seriously worrying. If MLT wasn't involved I think Mr Lynham would be getting slaughtered on here. He's a lucky guy to have a Saints legend alongside him.

I thought the forum geniuses were telling me that Mawhinney was "running scared" from our "legal professionals" :rolleyes:

Not sure why you're bringing Burton Albion into this.

Yawn. I never put IMO on anything - this is a fans forum for opinions and everything anyone says on this forum is an opinion. Get used to it.

Amen to that, great post. I can't stop laughing at the delusionals who think the League are "running scared" or "looking for a way to back down" or "know they're in the wrong". They don't want us to appeal not because they think they'll lose - they won't ever, ever, ever lose - but because it would just waste month after month and could end up buggering up things like next seasons play off semis with Saints whinging they should be in it and the other four clubs threatening legal action in return etc etc. And how do you coach a team when you don't know how many points you have, or you become fixated that "don't worry, we'll get those ten back". Us fighting it will do us as a football club no good once the season starts. The league are not scared of losing, they are just rolling their eyes skyward as Pinnacle posture and flounce about. Think of the chav kids in the paper who rant on about their "human rights" when they get sent home from school for having a nose ring and a mohican. The FL is the school and Pinnacle is chav mum. We shouldn't be appealing it because the punishment is fair and Pinnacle are being ridiculous.

I couldn't give a monkeys for your conspiracies and won't take a lesson in politics from a National Front div.

What looks like what? It's just the homepage with no mention of anything of interest.

They're stumping up £30m to pay the original mortgage now, are they?

Err - when was the last time a "dodgy last minute penalty" was overturned and the club in question was then not relegated? You can't change those decisions, and we can't change this one. This is the same - people have got it in their heads that we are appealing and we will get the ten points over turned tomorrow. We won't. The best "win" we will get is some financial compensation two years down the line, after slogging our guts out in court for all that time. And a rule change which benefits us not a jot. We are starting the season 10 points down, or we don't start the season in any league. The football league are not discussing recinding the ten points. If anything they are discussing what to do it SFC ceases to exist and whether to run with a 23 team league 1 next season, or promote someone from L2. Or they are discussing giving us a bigger deduction.

That's funny, because when we come out of admin we'll be debt free and the club will be sitting on a £30m stadium they've paid about £10m for. Putting us at a massive advantage compared to other clubs. Meaning the FOOTBALLERS!!!!!! and THE FANNNSSSSS!!!!!! will benefit from our massive spending power and resources we have secured for a third of the cost. That's why there is a 10 point deduction, to even that unfair benefit out.

If Delia launched a food range, or a clothing range, or a range of gold plated potato peelers and the failure of that caused her to declare herself insolvent then obviously Norwich City would not be implicated in that. Our holding company is not a holding company with lots of other interests. It is the football club and went into admin because of football debt, not because they spent too much money on ride-on electric mowers for Jackson's farm. This ranting on about our silly little made up "holding company" is just delusional.

"Biased" what way? Are we kidding ourselves that the Football League is now fundementally anti-Southampton? We broke the rules, tried to riggle out of it with a **** and bull story, that **** and bull story was blown clean out of the water. Ten point deduction. Where is this bias? Come on.

Actually, it isn't the "law". It's a football league, managed and run by its members. There are no laws to break or adhere to. Mawhinney isn't "scared of losing", he knows he would win again and again and again and again. We could appeal fifty times and they'd win every time. Mawhinney wants to stop us appealing to stop everyone wasting time and money going into the back pockets of lawyers.

Not in this case it doesn't. "Go and find another league to play in then". When do you think the court of arbitration will look at this "case"? Next week? Tomorrow? How about 2011. There's a dopey misconception that the FL are stopping us appealing because they think they will "lose" and that they are "wrong". Wrong. They are stopping us appealing for our own good, because us appealing this perfectly fair ruling would waste everyone's time and make Southampton Football Club look a bunch of divs. And I still think we'd lose at the court of arbitration anyway, because our case is wafer, wafer thin. The football league aren't scared of us and our team of hot shot Perry Masons. They are trying to save us from ourselves. "Legally" Sheffield United "won" against the PL and WHU and now look at them rightfully restored to the Premie... oh, right.

Well, I bet they don't contradict the views of the "professionals" running the football league. People seem to be mixing up weeny little legal details with what the league can do because its their league and their rules. Football league - "well done you, you've exposed a loophole. Have a banana. Good luck on finding a new league to play in, because you aint part of ours anymore". We have no "legal right" to be in the football league so they can kick us out and then the lawyers can w*nk one off about going to court, by which time it will be February 2011 and we'll have no club to speak of.

Was it f**k. Simply delusional.

Didn't we have the right to appeal about eight weeks ago. Everyone's got a right to appeal anything.