CB Fry

We knew what you were going to say.

You do know you could get a TV ad on an episode of Coronation Street every week for a year for about £15m. Or, if you really wanted to sell fridges to football fans, in the ad breaks in every single CL game shown on ITV. There are more efficient ways of building a national brand than buying a third tier football club. Not saying they won't buy us, but that wouldn't be the reason. It could be (Very) Extravagent Local PR and/or corporate entertaining for key docks contacts (including the council) maybe, but still, it'd be cheaper just to give them a backhander. God knows why they want us (if they do) but by god love em for it.

I'd say in the world of business generally, that kind of thing is pretty common. Can't see Lowe buying us though, although christ knows anything's possible now. At least these people aren't the only option.

Amen, amen, amen.

My question was about exactly why Luton got deducted those additional points - go and find out, and then explain why we would get those points deducted. That's my original question, but you won't ever go and find out because it blows your silly theories out of the water (clue - it isn't just CVA and admin). And I never despute clubs can be deducted more points over the CVA issue - I've said it several times on this forum - but we're not talking about CVA deductions, are we, just "additional" points deductions from the league playing "hard ball" (your words). ie the league in your view deducting points for the sake of punishment. I have said many times we may be deducted additional points for the CVA thing. But that is not under discussion with the league at present. Not sure why you are claiming I'm the one with a crystal ball - it's not me aimlessly speculating with theory upon theory which gets endlessly rewritten when more facts appear. Alpine's hero Failka lied about 15 points, so Alpine has to make out the league has backtracked. Of course they have. I am dealing in facts, you are just a conspiracy theorist. There's nothing I have said that isn't 100% in the public domain. And you probably are educated (trust me, it isn't "much higher" than me) but do you ever read what you write? If you are clever, why are all your posts filled with such malevolent bile and hatred for so many people, and you demonstrate so little grasp over how human beings in business, in administration, in life actually work?

It was clear that we had 7 days. Sorry it was. Not sure how your assessment of Fry not preparing an appeal is then evidence of the league back tracking. This appeal thing is a complete red herring anyway, forget it. If you were running a club (ie a league), would you take on a new member who was determined to drag that club through the courts for the next nine months? Would you? Or would you say, maybe we don't want you in our club, and if you want to drag us through the courts then fine, just don't drag the rest of our club through it as well.

Pinnacle would only really have the support of Mohammad Al Pine Saint who is the only human being alive hanging on billionare Micky Fialka's every word in his noble war against the evil, evil league.

Yes we did - the 7 days thing was common knowledge and clear as you like on the day we had the deduction - the opportunity to appeal was back in April. Google it. The FL have not back tracked, on anything, at all, since they deducted the 10 points.

The bonkers theories go back further than that. George Burley was losing games on purpose because that was the best way for him to keep his job, keeping us down in the CCC meant that Burley would get a longer contract, but getting promoted to the Prem meant he would get "found out". Or something. Dear old Alpine comes from the Mo Al Fayed school of self assured top of head nonsense. Don't think any of us will ever get through to him with awkward stuff like, you know, "truth" or "reality". He's pretty special like that.

You're an idiot. What exactly are these 25 points for? Which clubs have been deducted those kind of totals before and why have they been deducted them? Get an education before you spout off about things you know simply nothing about. Nothing at all.

Right you are, Dr Kettle. How about you admit you were wrong instead of started yet more deluded threads built on more stuff from the dim recesses of your head. The FL haven't back tracked, Failka was making stuff up.

What a spanner you really are. Could it be, maybe, there was no bloody additional points punishment, ever. Your hero Micky Fialka was talking out of his arse yesterday, which we all worked out in seconds. Except you, who swallowed it hook line and sinker. Ten points. It hasn't changed a jot since day one, except in the heads of some divs on a messageboard.

You must be getting your retarded reactionary misinformation elsewhere then. The Echo is not "making a fortune" out of anyone. The local press nationally and internationally are one of the few industries more ****ed than lower league provisional football. If the Echo printed nothing for two days in a row you'd be frothing like a ***** on here and you know it, and you used to slag off the OS for printing anodyne interviews with our managers. Alpine in "just moan like a slag about everything" shocker.

Here's a clue:

....and the "kick a man when he's down" argument demonstrates the fundamental misunderstanding of why the 10 point punishment exists. Clubs living beyond their means and then kicking all their debts into the long grass to start again gain a sporting advantage over clubs that don't. That's what Leicester did when they binned their debts on relegation and scooted straight back into the Premier League debt free. That's called cheating. If we do survive, and I still think we will, we will have a massively reduced debt on the stadium, if not none at all. That's a sporting advantage, and that is what is corrected by the 10 points. And the players fans etc will benefit from that sporting advantage next season and onwards. If anything is "morally corrupt" its football clubs ****ing money up the wall and then sticking two fingers up at their local office suppliers, food suppliers, casual staff, painters/decorators, site maintainence contractors, St Johns Ambulance etc etc by giving them 5p in the pound for their goods. Or do you think that kind of thing should be encouraged in football? Maybe ten bonus points? Maybe a bonus point for every local business you screw over by going into admin? After all, why kick people when they're down?

Liable for what? "Basic English law" doesn't stretch to football clubs having a right to play in a particular competition. The league haven't done anything illegal.

The blackmail thing works both ways. You have to look at it from the League's point of view. They are looking at a club wanting to join (or remain involved)saying they want to particpate in the league competition but at the same time drag that league through the courts for at least the next nine months. That would put the whole competition up in the air for a season including delaying the playing of the play off matches and even the fixtures for the following season. As well as p*ssing off the other 23 clubs in the division. Which could then lead to more lawsuits. And so on. Blackmail goes both ways - its a bit like Saints signing a player who is also suing the club for an injury sustained at the hands of a Saints player the previous season, the player suggesting he won't pursue the case, but serves a writ on his first day at Staplewood.

No it isn't because this isn't, wasn't and never will be about "law". It's a members club, and they've done nothing illegal whatsover.

As opposed to your scrambled brain logic of what your billionaire mate Michael Fialka said and your own dopey conspiracy? I've got some credibility because I stand up and bring out the boring truth, not the jolly exciting "everyone's against us" durr-brained conspiracy. There aint no secret plot to deduct 15 points you spanner. What a joke you are.

I love it when you just take my insults and fire them back at me because you haven't got the wit to come up with anything better. Anyway, to business: "The Football League has told the Daily Echo there is no truth in Fialka's latest claims of a potential 15 point deduction. A spokesman once again reiterated that there is no threat of further point deductions". I know your beacon of truth hero Michael Failka said otherwise but maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, I am right and the punishment of ten points is what is on the table and no more. As I have said so many time before, If you think I'm wrong, then thank christ it means I am so right.

Yet more clueless, reactionary drivel from the king of it. Go and get a different hobby if all you ever want to do is see the worst in every possible situation.

Oh do shut up you silly old woman. You just agree with whatever suits your screeching disproportionate horseguff day in day out regardless of what you said the previous day. Some of us can still remember eighteen months of "GO INTO ADMINISTRATION NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW" from you, and then you giving your beloved administration a whole TWO WEEKS before you started bleating, *****ing and whining about it on here. And your switching sides in the last week would give the audience at Wimbledon neck ache. We can't keep up with you. If it's Monday, it must be the league's fault again. If you think I'm wrong, then I know I'm right because you haven't a clue about anything.

McCarthy seems to be making the same mistake he made when Sunderland went up - buying a load of lower league players and hoping. Think they could have a long tough old season ahead. Good luck Surman, though. Saints fan and good servant but not quite as good at dead balls as he thought he was.

You do realise this is a fans message board? If you want nothing but facts you're in the wrong place, mate.