CB Fry

Yawn. I never put IMO on anything - this is a fans forum for opinions and everything anyone says on this forum is an opinion. Get used to it.

Amen to that, great post. I can't stop laughing at the delusionals who think the League are "running scared" or "looking for a way to back down" or "know they're in the wrong". They don't want us to appeal not because they think they'll lose - they won't ever, ever, ever lose - but because it would just waste month after month and could end up buggering up things like next seasons play off semis with Saints whinging they should be in it and the other four clubs threatening legal action in return etc etc. And how do you coach a team when you don't know how many points you have, or you become fixated that "don't worry, we'll get those ten back". Us fighting it will do us as a football club no good once the season starts. The league are not scared of losing, they are just rolling their eyes skyward as Pinnacle posture and flounce about. Think of the chav kids in the paper who rant on about their "human rights" when they get sent home from school for having a nose ring and a mohican. The FL is the school and Pinnacle is chav mum. We shouldn't be appealing it because the punishment is fair and Pinnacle are being ridiculous.

I couldn't give a monkeys for your conspiracies and won't take a lesson in politics from a National Front div.

What looks like what? It's just the homepage with no mention of anything of interest.

They're stumping up £30m to pay the original mortgage now, are they?

Err - when was the last time a "dodgy last minute penalty" was overturned and the club in question was then not relegated? You can't change those decisions, and we can't change this one. This is the same - people have got it in their heads that we are appealing and we will get the ten points over turned tomorrow. We won't. The best "win" we will get is some financial compensation two years down the line, after slogging our guts out in court for all that time. And a rule change which benefits us not a jot. We are starting the season 10 points down, or we don't start the season in any league. The football league are not discussing recinding the ten points. If anything they are discussing what to do it SFC ceases to exist and whether to run with a 23 team league 1 next season, or promote someone from L2. Or they are discussing giving us a bigger deduction.

That's funny, because when we come out of admin we'll be debt free and the club will be sitting on a £30m stadium they've paid about £10m for. Putting us at a massive advantage compared to other clubs. Meaning the FOOTBALLERS!!!!!! and THE FANNNSSSSS!!!!!! will benefit from our massive spending power and resources we have secured for a third of the cost. That's why there is a 10 point deduction, to even that unfair benefit out.

If Delia launched a food range, or a clothing range, or a range of gold plated potato peelers and the failure of that caused her to declare herself insolvent then obviously Norwich City would not be implicated in that. Our holding company is not a holding company with lots of other interests. It is the football club and went into admin because of football debt, not because they spent too much money on ride-on electric mowers for Jackson's farm. This ranting on about our silly little made up "holding company" is just delusional.

"Biased" what way? Are we kidding ourselves that the Football League is now fundementally anti-Southampton? We broke the rules, tried to riggle out of it with a **** and bull story, that **** and bull story was blown clean out of the water. Ten point deduction. Where is this bias? Come on.

Actually, it isn't the "law". It's a football league, managed and run by its members. There are no laws to break or adhere to. Mawhinney isn't "scared of losing", he knows he would win again and again and again and again. We could appeal fifty times and they'd win every time. Mawhinney wants to stop us appealing to stop everyone wasting time and money going into the back pockets of lawyers.

Not in this case it doesn't. "Go and find another league to play in then". When do you think the court of arbitration will look at this "case"? Next week? Tomorrow? How about 2011. There's a dopey misconception that the FL are stopping us appealing because they think they will "lose" and that they are "wrong". Wrong. They are stopping us appealing for our own good, because us appealing this perfectly fair ruling would waste everyone's time and make Southampton Football Club look a bunch of divs. And I still think we'd lose at the court of arbitration anyway, because our case is wafer, wafer thin. The football league aren't scared of us and our team of hot shot Perry Masons. They are trying to save us from ourselves. "Legally" Sheffield United "won" against the PL and WHU and now look at them rightfully restored to the Premie... oh, right.

Well, I bet they don't contradict the views of the "professionals" running the football league. People seem to be mixing up weeny little legal details with what the league can do because its their league and their rules. Football league - "well done you, you've exposed a loophole. Have a banana. Good luck on finding a new league to play in, because you aint part of ours anymore". We have no "legal right" to be in the football league so they can kick us out and then the lawyers can w*nk one off about going to court, by which time it will be February 2011 and we'll have no club to speak of.

Was it f**k. Simply delusional.

Didn't we have the right to appeal about eight weeks ago. Everyone's got a right to appeal anything.

Looks that way, don't it. Maybe we should join up with Ferrari and Brawn and start up our own competition and make our own little rules up.

I still can't see how on earth the FL have treated us unfairly. We had the lamest "cheat" on a system I have ever seen, it was pathetic when Fry/Lowe/Wilde announced it on day one. They were never, ever going to get away with it. And the FL chucked it in the bin where it belonged. Ten point deduction, and move on.

I don't need lessons in "knowing what I am talking about" from the likes of you. Last time I looked speeding fines weren't quite the same as a private members club setting and agreeing rules between themselves. The ten points is never ever going to be recinded. Get your head round that.

What are you talking about. Do you think a court in the land is going to waste time with our shi**y little winge about being done by the same rule that has been served on about twelve other clubs before us in the last five years? Football League to Saints - if you don't like it, find another league to play in. P*ss off. If I was the FL that's precisely what I'd be saying. Southampton Football Club have no "legal right" to play in the Football League, you know.

When did he "refuse to kowtow to Lowe"? He applied for, but didn't get the manager's job, which went to George Burley. Wise then left because he didn't get the job. Not sure how applying for a job to someone involves "not kow towing" to them. Wise would have taken the Saints job like a shot if offered. It wasn't, he left. And of course, Keegan and Wise got on just great at their last job together, didn't they?

I'm surprised there aren't more people on this forum saying this. It will be an absolute scandal if this takeover is being held up by the ten point thing because the 10 point deduction was part of the deal 21 days ago, it was part of the deal 80 frigging days ago. You buy SFC, you buy a club on -10 next season. Whining about it now is a co*king joke. If Pinnacle genuinely thought the League would ever recind the 10 point deduction then maybe they aren't the switched on saviours we thought they were and are just as dopey as some of our previous "saviours". The ten points is the ten points is the ten points. It isn't going away. Swallow it Pinnacle and stop being such a buch of arses [if, of course that is the issue. If it isn't, just sort it out anyway, you've had three weeks and admitted that due diligence was already complete before the 21 days started]

If you are basing your argument on comparing the managerial credentials of Jan Poortvilet with Lawrie McMenemy then god help us all. Jan the man had a more than a decade - TWELVE YEARS - of acheiving nothing at all with nothing clubs in a nothing league before he was appointed Saints manager. Twelve years after Lawrie's first professional job at Doncaster he had a medium sized city club challenging for the League title in one of the biggest leagues in Europe. And he'd won the FA cup. Oh, and he'd just signed the European Footballer of the Year as well.

Sorry, this is garbage. I must have missed that decade Roy Keane spent failing season after season at fourth rate dutch semi pro football clubs before Sunderland took him on. It doesn't always work but taking a punt on a big name ex player (be it Keane, Klinsman, Shearer, Southgate or John Barnes) is not the same thing as giving a job to someone with a track record of utter mediocrity already behind them. Giving a job to a proven utter failure is not the same as giving somone their first job.

For anyone who hasn't yet noticed, we are no longer on BBC teletext. Soul destroying when I had a flick through earlier. We are officially relegated now.

I can take it further!! Equally I didn't start changing my electricity/gas/water etc over until I had moved in. You don't have to sort out every single tiny contract etc before you complete and announce this kind of deal.

Yes, fair enough. But when I bought my house I told most people I know I had bought it on the day my offer was accepted. What is odd is not knowing who the main man is, and it was reported week or so ago that due diligence had already been completed. But that said, they said 21 days and 21 days it will surely be.