Robsk II

I would point out that I have NEVER said Woods wasn't exceptional. I just think there is no basis for comparison. If you WERE informed about other sports, maybe you would see others as contenders. it does seem you're a bit obsessive an not open to other ideas. Surely, even if a sport only has 10 people doing it, that doesn't exclude the possibility of the best one being the best sportsperson in the world, if such a thing could be measured? I don't think publicity, popularity or money has anything to do with the achievement. It's virtually impossible to give people, and even sports, an 'even playing field' with which to compare validity, difficulty etc - even less realistic when so much is subjective. Even a sport being more widley watched or supported - that doesn't make it a 'better' sport. Joe Public is not often the best judge - consider the singles chart. These things develop organically, and it's partially by chance and so on that kayaking is a much bigger sport in Eastern Europe, Germany, France, etc.

Golf sucks. x

Pwn3d.

Anyway, it was funny for a while but you're boring me. SRS is more engaging than you.

IT'S BLOODY SUBJECTIVE, YOU TOTAL IDIOT. You've only backed up anything with facts and figures you claim are indisputable proof of being the best sportsperson - that, once more, is down to opinion. Why can't you grasp that? Why have you read nothing else in that thread? Of course they are dominant sportspeople at present within their sports, but that in NO WAY proves these are the greatest ever. Do you not understand the other factors that go into sport - that can affect peoples lives - that go into assessing these things? It's simply impossible to make direct comparisons with ever sports person ever, so anyone with even one iota of common sense would acknowledge this fact. Apparently you haven't read any of my posts, WITH facts and some figures, because you once more seem blind to them. What's the point in arguing with an automoton of views? I accept Woods is the 'best' golfer around right now, which is a whole lot more than you've done. It's like argumens about politics on this board - the thick posters just cling on to one single thing and keep beating everyone over the head with it, without apparently being able to reason, consider, reflect - what's the sodding point? You clearly the the cognitive tools with which to take anything into account other than your one, biased, isolated view.

Hey, that's brilliant. That's a top notch argument, cunningly constructed. Are you 15? I mean, who actually uses that as a retort? It's like kicking a puppy. You did contradict yourself, one example being when you said people shouldn't judge sports they didn't know about - yet you have consistently done the same. Dullard.

Maybe I peaked early. As for the insults, it's too easy. It's just quite enjoyable mocking you, because, while I wouldn't say I know it for a fact, you do present as some sort of midget, intellectually. Also, I think you'll find that it is far more immature to deny yourself guilty pleasures in the name of humour. That ol' intellectual institution, seen by your ilk, probably, as for old people - radio 4 - is in fact full of willy jokes... Your assertions about my class and so on are no better. You're not above insulting others anyway, who cares about the language used? I could use all sorts of other, more supposedly high-brow words to describe you, but hey, I have to consider the target audience, eh? Finally, you're a pompous moron with an inflated sense of worth, importance and apparently intelligence. If that doesn't give someone full license to laugh in your face, what does?

You had none, dummy.

"Think you'll find" - based on what? Your ignorance? Listen mate, golfing as a career doesn't mean you're a rocket scientist. I have nothing to base any assumptions about your intelligence on other than your retarded ramblings on here. Even if this was taken seriously, which frankly I don't, your arguments have been facile, verging on the irrational - not to mention ill-informed and self contradictory. There's nothing to suggest you're in any way clever, and I would suggest that from the evidence thus far, I would have an easy win on points. You even do the classic 'thick person' thing in holding on to baseless ideas - like my age. You have *no* basis to guess my age at all, and you're certainly well wrong. You useless p1ss-stain.

Good one, you thick bellend.

Will, he stopped competing in the early 90's. I know he was an incredible sportsperson, with a hugely impressive career - but it's a long time ago. I'm glad you validate his feats by even bothering to factor him in to your thinking, if only to reject him. I never knew you cared.

Can I do one?

Sorry, I don't understand your point?

Ladies football might not be as good as mens at the moment, but at the end of the day I'm happy to watch **** local teams over doing anything constructive or watching snooker, so why not womens? What the hell. If it costs next to nothing, who cares? Why would anyone be actively against it other than to push a ridiculous sexist agenda?

Given the limited outlay, I say yes, they should. It's a worthy thing to promote in the city, and I for one advocate for women having a right to play. Even if they are gash.

Are you serious?

I prefer space too, but if it works (and it doesn't always..), lots of players can make it a really good work out, and success only comes through quick passing and moving. Sometimes quite like it that way, but I guess a nice middle ground is best.

Yes, that's much better.

If I can make it, there's a good chance I will. I'm just not sure how I'll cope with both and week time training - thise toe thing unnerved me a bit, and also I used to get really bad shinsplints if I did any quantity. Hopefully will be OK.

Yeah - I might actually be playing 11-a-side this season as well. It depends on a few things. I might still turn up Sundays anyway, will have to see how my fitness / condition holds up.

Surely most of us have some?

Once the pitches are up (soon if not already) this won't be an issue, you'd think. Once you get to 8 a side, you can pretty much go full pitch anyway.

It would seem better to encourage numbers. Why not only cap it at 22 players, and if it gets above, say, 14, we play on the grass? The season, she is a-coming, anyway..

Ali Dia.

I think there have been f*ckloads of truly excellent sportspeople, and the reality is that there is no way to objectively measure the difficulty of each achievement. OK, you can talk about participation numbers, popularity, conditions, facilities, personal trials - but actually, each person is remarkable. There are as diverse reasons for their success as there are for the failure of others, and we simply can't know or even guess at half of them. Personal life, social, economic, even political factors - the picture is too complex to draw any conclusions from the murk - only, it seems, some mud, to sling. I wouldn't hope to pick one, and I think it is naive to try.