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Last paragraph. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=3904

Where have I said that? Going back to when Hone and Co were still in charge, my position has always been a non aligned independent chairman, a non aligned salaried CEO, Non exec positions for the three major blocks of shareholders. But cutting to the chase, your support of the appointment of Poortvliet is embarrassing, with or without hindsight.

Interesting, because I would argue recent results (and performances) have shown no real progress. There is also another post on here saying that there are splits in the dressing room, something I have been hearing for quite a while (although admittedly not recently, but then again I haven't spoken to my source recently). I don't think most supporters are acting like spoilt brats crying because we're not in the top flight, i think they are more upset because they are being taken for granted and instead of the Club being run well, they can see it being run appallingly. Just as Portsmuff fans campaigned against sht owners such as Deacon, Gregory et al, many are complaining here for exactly the same reasons.

So when did you stop going to home games????

Firstly, it wasn't 14 games it was 16. We were in the bottom 3 when Wigley left and going downhill fast. That defeat against Watford was particularly demoralising as we were stuffed in every sense of the word. Getting on to our third manager in a season, having wasted the pre season and the transfer kitty was always asking for trouble. The very fact that we then appointed someone whose heart wasn't in it just adds fuel to the fire. One can only assume our recruitment process is not very robust. Secondly, I enjoyed Jonah asking the Board to accept responsibility about Redknapp's appointment (as i think they probably should). Not sure they could accept responsibility about the appointment of Wigley mind, as some of them weren't even consulted!!!!!! That last season in the top flight was not unlucky, unfortunate or just one of those things, it was gross mismanagement almost from the off. Going down fighting is one thing, giving yourself a mountain to climb due to some disastrous management/board decisions is another thing entirely.

Well, quite frankly you must be one of them if on one hand you whinge like fck when Alpine labels you a Lowe Luvvie, yet you yourself are quick to label me as a Crouch supporter (see above). Logic implies the application of sensible rational thought and argument, rather than ideas that are influenced by emotion, whim or even ego, and I would concur that Lowe used little of the former and bucketloads of the latter.

How distant August must feel with all your little posts about me;) How about who should be our next manager? Still going with:

Lowe has his way of working (and I have some issues with his over involvement) and Reknapp has his way of working (and I have some issues with his old school methodology), but what became clear was that there was no way these two were going to be able to pull it off. As you say, you have to just either let Redknapp get on with it, or not appoint him in the first place. I know it was after we were relegated, but that press conference with SCW, Arry and Lowe just summed it al up for me. All smiles in front of the cameras, stabbing each other in the back off of it!!!

As I posted the other day, you're coming across as a complete idiot if on one hand you moan that Alpine pigeon holes you as a Lowe Luvvie and then do exactly the same with me regards Crouch. Either a hypocrite or a fool. Behave yourself. You're the one trying to defend the indefensible by suggesting there was no other way, we had nothing to lose and it was all logical. Go and have a lie down and then come back and let's discuss the logic of Poortvliet being appointed when he had no experience of this league, no nous on how to get results and a rather blinkered and one dimensional approach on how to set his teams out. There was no logic to that approach other than a tenuous connection that Poortvliet had worked with a few teams in the lower leagues of Dutch football who had fck all money and a few youngsters. Going on that logic, we should have scoured the Conference for our next manager.

Two points on this one: Firstly, if a rot has set in (and it had set in deep with us, even getting spanked by Watford), then it will take some undoing. Wigley left us in the bottom three after a disastrous run of games against our relegation rivals. We had wasted the important pre season build up and a fairly sizeable sum with regards transfers (with most of it being spent by someone else!!). A period when players are bought, sides are shaped and the season planned out. Wigley left us two games from halfway through the season and whilst nothing is decided at that point (unless you're Derby), we were left in a mess. Secondly, albeit with hindsight, you do have to question Lowe's appointment of Redknapp, a man whose was apparently not in it from day one. You would have thought that might have been teased out in the selection process;)

So only prepared to have a pop on here then.

Logic in appointing JP, are you fcking mad????? Where was the logic in employing a non descript Dutch manager, with no knowledge of the English game (and that's not being xenophopbic BTW), whose CV is on a par with Stuart Ritchie and who proved to be a total disaster??? If the logic was he was used to working with youngsters and with no money, then he should have been interviewed alongside Vospers U-18's manager.

IMHO, Gray was always going to get the job, once Moyes was out of the running (something that a number of my contacts assured me would be the case). Even publicly, throughout that time Lowe spoke about the need for continuity, he also let Gray sign Anders Svensson for just under £1m. I was led to believe that once Moyes ruled himself out by not being able to bring in his own men, Gray was effectively given the job.

Rateable value being the key word. Buctootim you pay some p in the £ on that figure and I though our number was £3/4million (ish) - Just had a dig and can't find our exact figure (just seen your post above re the 46p in the £). Although many were tryin to claim we were paying around £1.5m to £2m, they were getting confused with the rateable value.

It's about a 1/4 of your guess. People were getting all mixed up with the rateable value or whatever a couple of years back, and for whatever reason that figure stuck. Hone was trying to get it reduced when he was in charge (not sure if ti was successful or not), but it's not a 7 figure sum.

What I saw at Doncaster was cutting both ways, with people having a pop at those protesting, and those protesting having a pop at those telling them not to. So to suggest that those who are protesting are looking for trouble is both untrue, unhelpful and exactly the type of response that ensured it all boiled over during the Doncaster game.

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And it also can't replace good preparation, good tactics and good motivation by the manager and coaching staff. And in response to nickh, I don't think anyone is suggesting we got on the backs of the players, more that we get on the backs and in the faces of those in the Itchen Centre.

I still reckon we would have had Delgado, as that signing had nothing to do with who the manager of the day was.

We haven't got a £2.5m rates bill.

I also don't think it would have as much (if any) of a negative impact either. I think you've just taken a rather large jump suggesting those who will (or want) to protest are looking to cause trouble.

Seen Poortvliet's new CV lately? Mwah.

For me it has to be the appointment of Wigley. Everything about it, including the way he was unveiled to the press, was appalling. No one knew what was going on and the OS was issuing holding statements, correcting them and then reissuing them. I honestly didn't think you needed hindsight to work out that it was never going to work. A terrible appointment that kickstarted a chain of events, from which it will take quite a bit of time to recover. After that, it has to be the appointment of Poortvliet. Why we went for such a Revolutionary Coaching Set Up at a time of financial fragility is mind boggling, particularly when we had something in situ that looke dlike it might work!!!!! If we go down and administration befalls us, then maybe this season's decisions will be credited as Lowe's biggest mistake, replacing the appointment of Wigley.

Methinks you are being somewhat melodramatic here. There have been a number of pitch invasions after the final whistle that have incurred no sanctions (including our own against Sheff Utd last season) and there have also been a number during games, both in celebration and protest, where the FA have not come down "like a ton of bricks". Indeed, the Leeds pitch invasion in May 2007, which held up play for 30 minutes and included attacks on away fans, brought no action whatsoever from the FA. All the sanctions you mention are available to the FA, but recent history has shown that they do not impose them harshly, nor come down "like a ton of bricks" on the clubs, instead, they very often support the clubs involved, and in the case of Leeds they agreed that the club had done evrything reasonable and could not be held accountable for the invasion.

It's a total irrational train of thought. For me, luck simply does not exist.