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Please don't take this the wrong way, but quite alot of your info is wrong. Your attacks ont he Corbett's, other fans, the Paul Allen non affair etc etc etc. You probably would do better thinking (and doing some easy research) a bit before posting. That's nothing to do with holding an alternative opinion, it's just that too often you post something and then a bit later come back with a, sorry I got that wrong. Although it is admirable to apologise, you would be better served not having to.

I'm not trying to undermine him, just calling it as I see it. His little ditty was totally unnecessary and given our current position he would have been better off biting his tongue. As for giving him time, I will always support the manager until he is no longer viable, but I also don't buy into this "brand new start" in much the same way I never bought into the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up", not least because Wotte was a key part of what has got us into this awful predicament. He can't now absolve himself from any blame and try and pin it on Poortvliet. I may have questioned Poortvliet's embellished CV and questioned as to whether he was the right man for the job, but I supported him as manager and wanted him to succeed. The same goes for Wotte. I associate him results on the pitch and will judge him by his deeds and actions. I have an opinion of him and I don't think he is the right man for us (for a number of reasons), but ultimately I will only judge him by what he achieves with regards results.

I must have missed that discussion, otherwise I would have argued vehemently against that viewpoint. I saw Dyer and Walcott many times over at Staplewood a few years back and there was no comparison whatsoever, despite Dyer being in the year group above Walcott. Because of some good contacts I was able to speak to a few coaches (definitely Prost & Wigleyand I think it was Jennings) and there was no question that Theo was the one tipped for the top, whereas there was always debate as to whether Dyer would be able to make the step up. Hopefully, he will come back and perform for us, but being honest I have never really rated him.

Or at least with the intention of stabilising us in the Championship. As I believe ego's are in play here (much to the detriment of the Club), arresting our decline and establishing us as a comfortable Championship team could also be deemed a successful return. It could set us up for a return to the top flight and it could also make the club an attractive proposition for someone ready to gamble on us going up. As you say, I think his way is a disaster for this Club on and off the pitch, but he's not doing this intentionally, nor do I believe he thinks that life will be better or more profitable in League One.

June 30th 2009

I think I got a touch of motion sickness after watching it. Someone obviously thinks it's hip and trendy to have quirky camera angles, zooms et al. Back to basics please.

Of course not, but I also didn't expect him to come out with a moan saying we are "easy in our judgement". It was a flippant, ill judged and unnecessary comment straight from the same manual Lowe must read before he talks to fans, the press or shareholders. We're not easy in our judgement, we have judged this season purely on the results that Jan, Wotte and others produced under this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up". A system that he was a key part of, and one that has delivered one home win and has left us floundering in the relegation zone. The only way we may have "been easy in our judgement", may be because it has "been easy to judge" the dire seasion that he and others have presided over to date.

In which case, he'd be better off keeping his own counsel. Things haven't been good for quite a while and there are a number of reasons why we are where we are. I have no problem accepting that and I have no problem accepting that last season was a great escape as well. What I objected to was his flippant comment that we are "easy in our judgement". No we're not, we have judged this season purely on the results that Jan, Wotte and others produced under this "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up". A system that he was a key part of, and one that has delivered one home win and has left us floundering in the relegation zone.

Easy in our judgement, fck off. You've been a key player in a shambles of a season, so please keep your out of touch comments to yourself. No empathy at all with those who keep him in a job. After his comments at the first press conference and other subsequent stuff, I have to say I'm not warming to this guy (then again considering I hold him jointly responsible for our current position, I've never been a fan). Seems as though he has gone to the Lowe School Of Charm and Togetherness.:wink:

Easy in our judgement, fck off. You've been a key player in a shambles of a season, so please keep your out of touch comments to yourself. After his comments at the first press conference and other subsequent stuff, I have to say I'm not warming to this guy (then again considering I hold him jointly responsible for our current position, I've never been a fan). Seems as though he has gone to the Lowe School Of Charm and Togetherness.

Not the first time you've been out of touch LMFAO!!

I would have no problem acknowledging your right to hold and espouse that view. I don't agree with it, I think it is flawed and I certainly can't read your last line up there without breaking into a chuckle the bit about a man with a plan, when the plan has already gone tts up!!), but that still does not mean that you can't hold and espouse that viewpoint. HTH.

A failing thing ran by a few chavs????? It was hardly a failure and your description of those who arranged the march is rather pathetic IMHO.

What part of any other cause didn't you understand??? I know it grates with you that so many turned up and how you would have loved to be on here pontificating that only 200 turned up, but sadly you and a few others have been made to eat your words. The turnout today was the start, and way, way, way ahead of the expectations of many. What happens next depends on the pride and passion of the supporters, not those who snipe behind their keyboards.

As someone else mentioned, I reckon you would have to go back years to find a protest march in this fine City that pulled in the numbers that were there today. As Lawrie once said we hide and conceal our passion, but to get 1,500 out on a march an hour and a half+ before kick off is a very big coup. It may not sit well with your beliefs, but I very much doubt we will see another demo of this size for any other cause for quite a while.

A bit of a strange game for me, with us being outplayed for large periods of the game, but for once having some steel to get stuck in and mix it. At times looked as though they were the pretty team and we were the ugly brawlers, their only difference is that they could finish. Despite Size and Perry doing their best I always felt we looked suspect at the back. The midfield was combative, but didn't really control the game. Up front McGoldrick did not look a threat, whereas Saga looked a potent finisher. A good atmosphere and I think the unity and support shown at the march transferred to the stands. Not sure we deserved a draw, but Saga's cool finishing ensured we shared the points. Davis - 6 - Always under pressure James - 5 - tries hard, but is no full back. Saeijs - 6 - Solid and held the line well Perry - 6 - Did OK in trying to marshall the defence Molyneux - 4 - Off the pace, caught out too often and rash in the challenge Lallana - 5 - Never really got into the game and didn't fit in with our kick up in the air approach Wotton - 6 - Kicked anything that moved and some stuff that didn't Gillett - 5 - Tried to be like Wotton, but never really came off for him Surman 6 - A bit of steel fromt he lad for a change DMG - 5 - All huff and puff for a change, but nothing doing Saga - 8 - Different gravy and what we have been missing all season Before the game would have settled for a point and with alot of other teams losing, it might not look that bad a point. My worry is we need to start winning at home if we are to stay up.

I can't imagine that Hannover Buildings and through Hoglands Park at 1:30 is a hotbed of Saints fans on their way to the match:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I must say I've never seen the whole of Old Northam Road full of Saints fans well over an hour before kick off.

LOL I don't want to let you in on this, but there were only about 150 people there, all towing 10 mannequins each!!! I got into all sorts of problems when two of mine fell over and their legs fell off.:rolleyes:

Saga may not be a world beater, but he is fcking miles ahead of what we have had this season. His finishing today was something we have not seen all season. Any fool can cut costs, but the visionary ones are those that believe in people and build things around them. What a false economy it has proven to be shipping out all our proven strikers. He/they may cost us money, but there is a payback associated with quality.

Which is exactly what I said prior to the match. Anyone who can remember the Branfoot protests will remember that those protests actually galvanised the supporters who really got behind the team. Supporting the team and protesting against the Board are not mutually exclusive.

We were at the back of the march and when we got going and entered Hannover Buildings, the main body was already at the roundabout by Debenhams. When we entered Hoglands Park, the front was already in Kingsway. And when we got into Kingsway, the main body were already in Old Northam Road. A very well mannered and well attended march with fans of all ages (and their pets) taking part. Speaking to one of the senior officers as we got into Kingsway, he commented on how well behaved and sensible the marchers were and estimated abot 1,500. There were more than sometimes go to watch Hampshire. Those that took part today should be proud of their efforts and conduct.

If you think it was a mistake not ridding us of him earlier, then surely that makes the original appointment a fcking terrible mistake. It sounds like you're having a pop at him for wasting 2 or 3 games, when the real damage was done in the preceeding 25 matches!!!!!!!!!!! Whether Pearson would have done better or worse is entirely hypothetical, but let's not divert attention away from the dire decision Lowe and co did make, a decision which I fear we may not recover in time this season. Installing Poortvliet was a terrible, terrible decision and no amount of trying to justify it, passing the blame or saying circumstances may have dictated it can alter that fact. Getting back to the start of this thread, for Wilde to suggest no one else could have done anything differently is disengenuous at best, because all you have to do is say: NO ONE ELSE WOULD HAVE APPOINTED POORTVLIET

Oh the irony;)

Believe they are doing, and actually doing the best for the club, are two entirely different propositions. I'm sure Lowe believed going for the "Revolutionary Coaching Set Up" was indeed the best for the Club, but inreality in turned out to be a spectacular disaster. One word for those thinking Lowe is actually doing the best for the Club: Jan Poortvliet