Sir Ralph

I will respond to you. Later on. I can’t prove that. Ok most sensible people I know who graft and make net tax contributions to this country

This is what most of the population think. Most responsible people don’t have kids they can’t afford. Now they are paying taxes for those who are more likely to have been irresponsible. What a great societal incentive this government has just laid down.

You cannot be comparing 2008 to now surely?! Please tell me you aren’t? Regardless (1) I thought they filled the alleged black hole with the last £40m budget - was that not the case? (2) before VAT tax he actually made savings. His order of priority was the opposite of Reeves.

Yes to deal with the fallout of the 2008 crisis. It was a 2010 response to the biggest global financial crisis, government bank bailouts and ensuring that we were as financially sound as possible. Remember Greece, Ireland and Italy? He was trying to avoid that. The point is the current situation and then are completely different.

Fair game 😂

The words “in an emergency budget after the 2008 crisis” are relevant here

Bloody hell a response. I’ll have a look at it. Happy to find common ground.

I know and they still haven’t answered. I even bothered to set it out. The tumbleweed is palpable. You would have thought the number of lefties on here one of them would have at least given it a go. They get personal, deflect or give broad responses and send me pictures of their book shelves😂

That was fine. He did that in an emergency budget after the 2008 financial crisis. The context was very different. what he didn’t do was raise it in the context of facilitating an increase in public spending and welfare rises. This is essentially what the government is doing now with taxes. We are not in a 2008 crisis. Very different situations.

I literally don’t give two hoots about what you think I do or don’t do and who I know or don’t. What I don’t need to do is send pictures of my book shelf or at corporate events to validate myself on a forum of people I don’t know . Cheerio.

People say I talk BS when I make a point. They ask me to justify my position. I do, comprehensively. They cant respond and say I'm ranting. What are answers to my questions then. I anticipate they will be ignored.....again.

Economics. Some of the people in the civil service have them too. Doesnt mean that gives you an understanding of the real world impacts. What do you think to the questions I posed bearing in mind I set out my position?

I get annoyed because half of you are clueless about the economy and the real impact. Some of this is basic if you speak to business owners. The Government promised not to increase taxes for people. Their budget has done just that because of decisions they have made elsewhere around public spending and welfare. They would not have been elected if they had told people what they were going to do. If you 1. As a principle increasing taxes during a cost of living crisis should be last resort. The Government promised not to increase taxes and were elected on this basis. Do you dispute this? 2. They should have cut welfare and not increased it. The Cabinet wanted to do this and so there is clear evidence that this was possible. Do you dispute this? They have increased welfare spending because of their backbenchers not because it was the sensible economic approach. 3. They havent reduced public spending before increasing taxes. I revert to the article by Starmer where he said this was possible.https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/starmer-too-many-civil-servants-comfortable-in-tepid-bath-of-managed-decline Is Starmer wrong? I quote: Starmer also criticised public sector productivity. The PM said productivity in the public sector has dropped by 2.6% compared to a year ago, and is 8.5% lower than just before the Covid-19 pandemic. He says this “wouldn’t be accepted in any other sector or walk of life” and that he will not subsidise lower productivity "with ever-rising taxes on the British people”. 4.They bang on about economic growth being important (albeit they have no clue what it means). Which parts of the budget yesterday will increase growth and jobs? I can tell you that the pension tax, increased dividend tax, mansion tax, tourist tax, freezing income tax thresholds will do the opposite. 5. I understand that you need to keep things fiscally tight but there are so many other ways of doing this. There is no justification for the all out tax approach for the second budget in a row.

A more detailed summary than I have seen from any of the pro-Labour lot on here though. All that has been posted by the lefties is 'we just need to spend more money on public services' and no real justification for it or whether the impact on 'real' working people is acceptable. There has been no comments from the lefties on why there have been no reduction in public spending or welfare (but an increase instead) and therefore the government is taxing the whole nation more (when it said it would not). Why? This is the question nobody can answer. Also someone on here said people voted for this Government and this budget. They absolutely did not. The Governments manifesto talked about no tax rises. So, people did not vote for this.

No I give evidence of my position. That why I do it. You give none ever. Centrist mainstream publications, which tend to be less politically motivated, are good evidence of the overall view of this budget. Keep reading the Morning Star

Strange response. I don’t. I make my own mind up. I was using this to justify my position that there is a broad view that this budget is bad.

Fair enough

Well as you can see middle of the road publications think this is a crap budget.

Have you been under a rock for the past 24 hours? No the times and independent. I read more centrist publications. That’s when you know there is a problem. Stop reading the daily mirror and the guardian. They are left wing. Expand your world view by reading a broader base. I read the guardian every now and again even though I disagree with it

Semantics. PMQs followed the budget speech. If that’s what you have got it’s pathetic. Goodbye

I mean most media outlets have said it. No cuts and increased welfare spending unnecessarily at the cost of the tax payer and business. In a time of a cost of living crisis They talk about growth. They have not one idea what that is. Where were their policies on growth?

here he is. The brains…the three word wonder.

Still making the MP look pretty incompetent though. His questions werent even hard.

Absolutely clueless. How is someone like this allowed to make decisions on national issues. Embarrassing. Can't answer the question.....