Weston Super Saint

Another complete fuck up around implementation! Looks like they have copied and pasted tier 4 regulations but not bothered to check if they are right or they really have no clue what they want to implement. In terms of shopping, you can only leave the house for 'essential' shopping and all 'non-essential' shops MUST close. However, non-essential shops can offer a click and collect service. So you can order a pair of slippers online and then head off to your local 'Next' to go and fetch them! How is that 'essential'? https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/949536/NationalLockdownGuidance.pdf I'm assuming the 'click and collect' bit is left in from tier 4 and they just haven't bothered to update it.

Define 'threat'.

Define 'threat'. I'd suggest a virus that has killed over 30 million people had the 'potential' to kill many more.

I've never claimed they did, have I? Does a threat need to shut down businesses or put people on furlough to still be a threat - it's a rhetorical question you fuckwit, no need to answer. The point is - which once again you've managed to miss, quite spectacularly - that there have been other 'threats' and Covid isn't the 'biggest threat' since WW2 as Soggy claimed. Guess what though, those other 'threats' had either a preventative measure or a treatment that stopped them from killing thousands of people, but left unchecked / untreated they COULD have caused as many, if not more, deaths than Covid. That's how 'threats' are defined.

A 'threat' doesn't need to kill 500+ people per day to be classified a 'threat'.

Source?

Obviously that is true if you discount smallpox, AIDS and seasonal 'Flu and pretend that none of these have been a threat since WW2. Other than that, completely factually correct.

From an education point of view, yes and you'd have no complaints from me. I'm sure there would be plenty of families moaning about the loss of their summer holidays though!

It's a juggling act. There are knock on effects to every single decision. Risks need to be evaluated, but no decision is ever going to make everyone happy and no decision is going to be 100% right.

I imagine the hospitality industry wouldn't be too pleased either! They're probably looking forward to earning some money next summer during the school holidays!

Ah I see. So your suggestion is that we have a full lockdown from January until September. That sounds practical. Back to my previous question, who is going to pay for it, genius?

And to be fair, that works in tier four areas which are full lockdown in all but name. To do the same in tier three (as the unions are suggesting) would be very different.

Go for it, enlighten us as to what they are....

Not sure how you would define 'safe' in this scenario. This study shows some data on infection rates in schools. It looks like primary school kids don't present an enormous risk.

How will the non-attendance of teachers be considered? Will it be classed as an 'unofficial' strike?

What happens to the parents who don't have child care when their kids aren't in school (grandparents haven't been an option for months)? Do we cancel their working lives until September as well? Who pays for this?

As you've demonstrated

Sounds like a terrific idea if it will teach them how to keep hold of their bottle when they have a voting slip in their hands

So how do you move schools online?

And you are living proof that people need education 😉

As previously mentioned, at my daughter's school (and no doubt many others), keeping the kids out of school is pretty much the same as cancelling their education, especially as it is their GCSE year. I'm well aware that GCSEs are largely meaningless in the wider society (but that comes with the benefit of age!), but try telling that to a sixteen year old who has spent the last 4 or 5 years 'gearing up' for the event. It's an educational 'right of passage' that will affect lots of kids in many different ways.

Damn those parents wanting their kids to receive an education - especially the parents of Y11 and Y13 kids.

Do you have the answer for how to save everyone?

It's not just the kids' education though is it? For some families one parent may have to stop working to look after their child(ren), there is no financial assistance if they are forced to do this. For some this may mean a stark choice between paying rent / mortgage / bills and eating food. Financial pressure will add stress / anxiety to the family. All of a sudden it doesn't seem quite so selfish for them to be a bit upset about it....

Just asked my daughter if her school will be holding her classes online from Monday - like lots of other schools up and down the country! Apparently they aren't. The reason for this is due to "safe guarding". No further explanation given as presumably everyone in the world will know why that would cause issues at her school but not at all the others! We shall be back to the tried and tested method of the kids being given a little bit of home work on Google classroom and we will only be informed what work (if any) they should have completed, sometime the following week when it will be too late to do anything about...