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And yet the hospitals have never been full, have they? No one has been denied critical care when they needed it, have they? How, exactly are you attributing the cost of many many lives to the Prime Minister? I was under the impression that 'additional' lives would be lost when the NHS was overwhelmed, not when it is underwhelmed....

Where was that said?

Any chance there is anyone in the middle of those two concepts or is the entire world made up of polar opposites?

Do you think the Prime Minister is responsible for the Chinese virus and therefore the deaths in the UK? Do you think Brexit is responsible for the Chinese virus?

No, it's not a lockdown. The Government have never declared it to be a 'lockdown'. All along they have stated you should only travel for work if you cannot work from home. That's very different from telling everyone to stop travelling and stay home.

Don't worry about me, I'm happy to accept the risk (as I have been since this all started) and still travel for work pretty much every day. Probably already had it but not suffered any symptoms. I even shook someone's hand yesterday, living life on the edge, right?

It can take days for the virus to develop, so potentially you could let everyone onto the plane who have no temperature but they could all be infected and only become contagious a couple of days after they land. Then there are the people who have the virus but no symptoms. Testing is the way to go, but again, it takes 24 hours for the test results to come back, so what do you do with people until the results come back - you would have to isolate each person in the airport seperately otherwise they may be infected by someone else waiting for their results, which is not practical. You either keep all planes grounded or assume some risk that people will travel with the virus. In everyday life, this is still likely to happen as well on tubes, trains, buses etc.

I agree - although there are more cars on the road now than there were about 3 weeks ago, but that is only about 10% increase on those numbers. Don't the COBR graphs - which are using apple data - show that 'road' traffic is down by 70%? That data also includes 'road freight' which has declined, but not by the same as car travel.

What do you do with the passengers for the 24 hours whilst they wait for the test results?

A piece in the Guardian claiming that Germany could potentially have 10 times more infections (but not deaths), estimating the total to be around 1.8m infected people. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/german-covid-19-cases-may-be-10-times-higher-than-official-figures If true, then I guess that puts an end to the German model of testing and strict adherence to rules reducing the number of infections. However, if the number of deaths don't alter - currently about 7,000 - then I guess that means that Germany clearly are the master race when it comes to fending off respiratory illnesses.

Releasing a factory made virus amongst competitors at a world military games would make a far more believable conspiracy theory

Anyone know any more about the reporting from France, Germany, Italy and Spain? The rumour I heard today - and I must stress before the likely lads chirrup up that it is only a rumour, one that at the moment I cannot verify anywhere - is that those countries have apparently under reported the amount of deaths due to the virus, some of them by a factor of 10.

Yep, you're probably right. No idea why the WHO are giving this advice then...

And yet, they didn't report it to the WHO until the end of December.... Does it not also stack up that the 'anecdotal' incidents of people having very similar symptoms in November / December could well have had the virus and not just a cold / flu like aintforever is suggesting?

Link : https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/events-as-they-happen

And yet we've been told in no uncertain terms that the virus originated from a wet market in China in January. How is it possible that a bloke in France had it in December?

Oh, the ironing. Coming from the user who managed to **** up the spelling of his own user name

Not sure how either of those make me an illeterate and innumerate bumpkin, given that they show some of April's figures. Hmmm, I wonder what I meant when I stated "will be more interesting to see April's figures"? Still no sign of the 'diametrically opposite deal' details then

Most people - presumably not you - are able to think things through for themselves. You should try it, it might be liberating. But then again, you might actually commit to an opinion, which you've never achieved on here before. How's the 'diametrically opposite' deal coming along, care to furnish us with the details yet?

Deaths in March : 2018 = 51,131 2019 = 43,815 2020 = 49,641 Draw your own inferences from the data - same source as posted previously. Will be more interesting to see April's figures.

There's a lot of anecdotal evidence around. My Dad, mother in law and three work colleagues were all ill with very similar symptoms at the end of Nov, beginning of Dec. One colleague visited Poland over Xmas and having been prescribed three different antibiotics in the UK, was diagnosed with pneumonia by a Polish doc. All anecdotal and far be it for me to offer any opinion as doubtless I'll be labelled a mental conspiracy theorist by our resident narcissist. Still, time will tell

He asked where the deaths were reported. I've provided not only a link to where they were reported but have also copied the information directly for those who can't be bothered to click the link. I haven't made any analysis, credible or otherwise in my post, nor have I made any inferences based on the data. But feel free to keep throwing your petty insults if it makes you feel all big and clever, pal.

Deaths in Dec 2018 = 41,430 Deaths in Dec 2019 = 47,384 Increase of 5,954 or 14.38% They were reported here : https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/monthlyfiguresondeathsregisteredbyareaofusualresidence I assume the word 'covid' wasn't used in reporting the deaths as that didn't become a 'thing' until Jan 2020.....

So what happens when we discover that the virus was around late last year - around end of November / beginning of December? Who gets the blame then?

But all those things that they don't do, ensures that their cost of living is kept low, so we in the West can buy cheaper smartphones. Should we be blaming the Chinese 100% or do we share some of the blame (we, being the West rather than just Saintsweb). Admittedly there seems no apetite from the Chinese Gov't to instigate the appropriate policies, but is that influenced economically in order to keep manufacturing in the country and therefore continue the influx of cold hard cash?