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No- yet another straw man argument. This must be some kind of virus. People who pay ££ for a ticket in the belief they are entitled thereby to verbally abuse staff who are there to service and entertain them - I call them vile customers. yiu got a problem with that? What’s your job? Want me to be a customer then Eff and blind at you for your perceived shortcomings in Front of 30,000 others? No? Nothing to do with how much we care either ( and I’m sure we both DO care) I think that an outright player and manager abusive approach - as against expressing displeasure more civilly is simply how decent humans behave. I do not enjoy a winnable match being drawn- but somehow I do not and will not stay silent whilst the baying mob shout out their grotesque hate. Especially when the performance was good in many ways - all overlooked in the blind anger. There are ways to support the team and there are people nasty shouting abuse. because we “ only” drew. As for Vile customers. Anyone who has worked in the service industry knows what I mean.

And good night to you to Mr Redarmy. 😇

Nicely put and obviously a popular pov. If I might add though, courage is also doing what your boss tells you and that you believe in despite 30,000 fans moaning at you to hit it long - and hitting it long is often the easy option let’s not overlook that - and fans giving you negative vibes for insistently on doing what you been told by your boss. Your boss incidentally who can effectively sack you by not picking you and destroying your career. Courage is RM sticking to his principles and defending his players every match - not hanging them out to dry or throwing them in front of the bus- despite the outright abuse and hostility from some customers. RM takes full responsibility which requires courage and integrity. Courshe may also be looking for that better position for the incisive pass or shot rather than cross it aimlessly into the box- something which most of our mf in particular could easily do. With a different cf it may be the better decision. But at home some of the customers want it in the box quicker. Some prefer that we develop and get better at this style and eventually master it. To infer all our players lack courage is , in my opinion, an unfair slur. It may be that some lack ulti ate commitment for known obvious reasons- but footballing courage. No I do t not think any of them would be having that if you said it face to face in a bar.

Fair argument. He really got the most out of his limited players. Im not sure that limited ambition approach will be enough to keep them up but it worked yesterday. A score line of 4-1 would not have been unreasonable however and I don’t think we would be saying that about him today. Nor would we have the emotive comments on here about how bad inflexible RM, the play, etc is. It would be all about how great 9/9 points are. Those missed chances went in against Leeds not yesterday though. Simple as that. We played better though. IMO. If you’d offered me 7 points and unbeaten from next three matches 3 games ago I think arms would be snatched off. We’d had a terrible run of defeats. Yet here we are and the sky has fallen in because we “only” drew the last match against lowly Rotherham - yet it’s obvious (but not to the haters) we are playing better. Do carry on revelling in the misery / reality as you see it/ dystopian vision of how bad we are and gonna be unless somefink changes. I’m no happy clappy fan but - and this is probably what I have in common with RM - I believe life is not a destination, following saints is not always all about the results. Quite often, in fact mostly, it’s a bunch of stuff on the journey that counts. We overlook that and just end up disappointed all the time. It’s not a coincidence. Consider what we as a club are attempting and enjoy the principles enjoy the approach the philosophy the courage required. Enjoy it for goodness sake!

I think plan A ( if such a thing actually exists) was predicated on small technical nippy forwards- false “9” etc and no need for big old fashioned cf. For me, if “ Plan b” exists it was to recruit a conventional cf to replace Che who was supposedly leaving in the transfer window ). We did that. We also did it unsuccessfully when recruiting Paul. Im not certain that this way of looking at it is all they helpful but I’m just optioning that if a plan b exists it’s already been put into motion with that recruitment. I don’t think plan b related to changing the default style of play- just the EAP if you line ( emergency action Plan) if our normal way is not working. It’s RM’s job to discern when is the time to switch plays. Currently a bit hit and Miss is the verdict - but without that new CF he does not have that option anyways.

I think plan B was to recruit a prolific goalscorer. Which is what we did. He’s not fit yet. Let him play. We needed agoal scorer two years ago!

What got us nowhere LOS was first and foremost poor finishing. We created more than enough chances using the system you clearly disapprove of yet our final ball/ shot was rubbish. Maybe my opinion on that is absolute nonsense. You do not need to agree and you don’t. That’s absolutely fair and all well and good. 😇

Goodness me. Did you even read the post I made about that??? Please do.

You might want to read my posts a little better. It helps. It seems some people are happier to post straw man arguments than actually consider what I’ve actually said. But fair enough I get it. - though the substance standard and thought that’s gone into some of this debate at present is on a par with our current finishing ie poor.

I’m not sure we would win anything without high standards. RM is attempting to get us to play a version of the style of football that currently dominates EPL and champions league football. The natural response is to say I dont care about that I just want to beat Rotherham, no excuses. I guess that’s the difference between being a student and being a teacher. Students do not learn overnight. It takes 3 years to get most degrees. Many fans like yourself do not want anything but results NOW. Who doesn’t? I think we only perhaps disagree with the way they are taught and it’s emphasis on process first and results will follow - and how long we are prepared to give the teacher before his students pass all there exams brilliantly, every time. Or get rid of the teacher and start again

I was using this as a parallel to the very high standard we are trying to attain. As I suspect you know full well. I agree that endless sideways passing g is not beautiful. I’m not aware that I claim it is. If you mean that our possession based game is too conservative at present then you have a fair and accurate point. My guess is that the players are still learning to walk rather than go straight to run hence an obvious current predisposition to the “ safer” often horizontal pass. In time I think we will see more vertical passes ( ie KWP to AA goal) to decisive areas. But we are not quite there yet. How much time will vile customers give RM I dont know but he and brave players doing what he asks despite the shit have my support.

I get what many of you are saying - especially the esteemed FF. There’s us and remains a palpable sense of disappointment from that match. My opinion is that the outcome was disappointing but I was satisfied by the by the general standard of our play - especially put into the broader context of last 18 months. More accurately I was satisfied that the style RM has installed is - gradually- bedding in . Becoming what Ralph used to call “ auto-instinct”. A long way off being what we could be but - for me- we are on the right path stylistically, and what is needed is not full scale changes but rather tweaks and the addition of a decisive CF. RM does and will make tactical mistakes - he’s no Ancelotti- but on balance his perseverance is more admirable to me than to have a constantly flip flopping non style. Pragmatic football can win games and Jose is a master of it - but the style we are attempting to play wins Champions Leagues and EPL titles and is considered the optimal current way to play the gam. And it’s a beautiful way too which is the bonus all saints fans would love to have.

As ever a wide range of reactions to the result. I’m personally sanguine but there was a lot of abuse hurled at the team , individual players and RM at the end from some around me. some here will say it’s well warranted. To those I say I respect your opinion but not the ways it was expressed on Saturday. That was out of order. My impressions from Block 41: 1. Probably our most dominant and skilful home display of the season. Some of our football was wonderful to watch. I loved the way we moved the ball up the pitch and made 15 ( I think) chances. 2. Support around me often concurring with delight at the way we finally seem to have cracked the dilly dallying on the ball around the penalty area issue - though it did resurface once or twice. 2. Canny work from the Rotherham manager to shuffle his team set up early to adapt and try to restrain us. It stemmed, but did not abate, our much more incisive than hitherto this season play. 3. Rotherham are a very limited team - relegation material imo- but this result was deserved if only for their defensive performance. Fair dos to them. 4. We failed to win due to not scoring from excellent chances. Excellent chances that in normal circumstances would be converted into goals. No one player was most at fault - they ALL misfired at the we critical moment - CA, AA, KS, SA, RF, SE all of them. 5. Any team, player or RM criticism of the performance up until shooting on goal in general is ill-conceived. Criticism of our finishing on the other hand is extremely fair- we were well below par. 6. IF we play like that every match between now and end of season we will ( surely) be putting a hatful past some opponents at some stage. And I’d guess that’s more likely away than at home as teams may feel obligated to open up a bit more when playing us at home. I can see a set of big away wins on the cards for us. 7. Kamaldeen and Sam are still Learning but both obviously ridiculously too quick too skilled for their opponents - they just need add end product ( or, frankly, have a striker to pass to after they beaten their man who just scores not misses) 8. I thought the midfield four did well. 9. Che Adams was relatively ineffective after a promising first ten minutes. I thought he would bully such teams as these but he looked subdued. 10 AA worked hard. Again. Failed to score his chance (s) (again) but still put max effort in -which is the minimum. He’s limited and not the greatest player I’ve ever seen in a saints shirt but he works his butt off so he’s ok with me. 11. Manning and KWP both had sound games. Manning in particular has to adapt because KS still does not know what to do out of possession so Manning needs curb his attacking instincts ( look at his goals and assists last season) - which is a shame because defensively he’s only average rather than good or great and I’m sure we recruited him for that rather than as a defensive player. I can see his football intelligence and experience is their though so he’s OK with me too. 12. SA was good in fits and starts he does things others don’t do- notably his direct running from midfield central areas - a bit like Charlie. Defensively they are average however. Both are very good players at this level if others can do the defending…Charlie is the more dynamic more technically skilled and has more promise and better goal instincts imo but Stu does also put a shift in which Charlie sometimes only belatedly remembers out of possession hence he seems to always be involved in flare ups due to having to be overaggressive to regain possession. 13. My personal view is that long term Shea Charles should be playing instead of Stu. I like Stu AND I know Shea, Flynn and Will are unlikely goalscorers- whereas Stus scored 2/2 but with them in midfield we will concede even fewer ( but Stus goalscoring record is sketchy overall) and with AA, KS, Charlie and our new CF to come they should take care of the bulk of the goalscoring. 14. Baz is become s fan favourite. Who would have thought it. 15. AA gave armband to Jan when he went off - NOT Che as he has done previously - the situation and implication obvious. 16. Our twin CB ‘s played well, again. That’s them set for rest of season. 17. Shout out to Rotherham’s goalie. Some simply excellent saves. He will be playing for better team shortly for sure. 18 Aribo - looked clumsy as usual but it’s difficult to get the ball off of him. It’s weird but I’d be tempted to put him in at CF sometimes as a CF so he can hold ball up a bit- Michel Antonio style. 19 Some “Supporters”abusing RM and players at full time. Disgusting. Appalling. Ignorant. Short-sighted. Anywhere else in society you behave like that to staff in public you get prosecuted. At football it’s supposedly ok. It’s not. It’s disgraceful & shameful. Aggravated by the public nature especially when in front of kids. Plus ca change. I don’t consider them supporters. Just vile customers. Saintly regards Giordano

Delighted for him and proud for Saints. I’m not sure it’s accurate to call him understudy to Messi as there are one or two other Argentinian players who might feel it’s there title but he is obviously considered one of the best 3 or 4 Argentinian players in the world in his attacking midfield/ false nine / no. 10 type position. Which is a remarkable thing for the World Champions National team! 👏.

I think this point has been put to bed recently. In summary; NO it’s not the fault of the fans. It’s RM and JW’s fault - but we would be one-eyed if we failed to give due credit in same measure if it goes right. This squad should get promoted playing whatever formation and style you can think of. They are all top footballers at Championship level - there can surely not be much unbiased dispute about that. That being the case, it’s surely a matter of HOW we get promoted. The RM playbook is considered the best long term get promoted stay promoted approach for Saints. It’s What we as supporters argue about constantly. I’d rather 3 points playing crap than zero playing Brazilian - but I want my cake and to eat it too. I’d like both , ideally, and the road to that is rocky and filled with 5-0 and 1-4 mishaps! And that’s if we even arrive!

I’ve had a road to Damascus moment ( I think!) as I try to understand the RM philosophy. Martin is relentlessly positive. He name checks his players constantly in a positive manner when interviewed. In interview whenever asked about one of our guys there is barely a sentence where he does not express how great, brave, brilliant, amazing, excellent, professional, or insert any upbeat adjective you like, one of our players is. I can understand why players would ultimately come to love him as the gaffer as his major philosophical weapon is to give all his love, belief and trust in them. I really wish him all the best in this approach. I can recall players once used to say same about Mourinho at Chelsea and you can name others. Of course you can name (winning) others who motivate as much by fear as by love - Ferguson a good example but in an era in which this kind of approach is increasingly understood to have fundamental psychological benefits ( I’m talking mental health here) I think it’s good to see and refreshingly progressive.

RM said taking Sulemana off was premeditated on Saturday to preserve his fitness recovery. But does that mean S has saved enough juice to play from the start again tonight? IMO If he’s fit he should start - i can see the temptation to continue this apparent rehab but it should be resisted and our best players should be on the pitch now showing why they are our best players. Before we drop too many more points. IF he’s not fit to start then the most like for like is Sam….

Far from being only a tippy tappy lightweight team many of our tactics Saturday were predicated on drawing opposition towards us prior to a very long ball to either of our two nippy wingers. They also included professional al fouls were necessary. Bazooka pinged at least three 50 yard balls straight to wide players. It’s clearly in our script and he has excellent skill at it. His save was textbook and I think this may be his best match for Saints to date, certainly this season. The Northam were chanting his name several times and that was seemingly helpful to him. Some of our bookings were obviously silly but showed we are not happy letting players go past us - which was a welcome innovation! Carry on!

Still trying to work out what was different about Saints today not in terms of players but in terms of the tactics. Others have helped on that already but my general perception was that 1. we appeared more dynamic in attack. My personal view is that Che is a relatively stationary striker not super fast or a devastating finisher and not all that powerful at holding the ball up either - so dropping him and putting on more mobile attacking players made sense and meant we looked more dangerous. 2. we appeared to be happy to go long quicker 3. our defenders passed into midfield or further much quicker. Less backwards passing. 4. Baz played best game I’ve seen him play.

Nice improvement with the vibrant forest taproom concession in the inner foyer. 😊. Generous free samples ( oops I’ve had theee already) and the Black Forest Porter pint in front of me is delish. £6. I think that’s made an important contribution to the pre match discussion. 😃

Seems like there’s a major incident near me in Bitterne just as I’m about to leave for sms…I e counted 3 engines 6 ambulances 5 emergency y cars all sirens blazing and a helicopter hovering atm. Pray it’s not a coach and there’s no fatalities ..🙏

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I’ve still got money on us being top six and perhaps much more laughably on Charlie to be leading goalscorer. Well in my defence I put down £20 for a chance to win nearly a grand. Which I thought was not unreasonable. Except he does not even play atm! Guilty of having eternal optimism about Saints. I guess it’s just a metaphor for how I look at life overall so I’m not worried about being right or wrong. As RM might say - - “ it’s the process” 😇

I should realise by now when I see your name as the author of a post that what I’m about to experience is a read of unrelenting negativity. Yet, there’s something beguiling in your oft repeated dismay & the disgust you express so often- and so well I might add - and all because SFC are not playing football the way you want. I’ve no doubt you will consider turning your well honed skills of the online public evisceration kind onto me for this post but perhaps you might not be bothered because RM, SR and the currently hapless players are a much bigger and easier target. It’s ridiculously easy to criticise SFC atm. You can bash them all day long and no Saints fan that goes to the matches can really argue that you’re wrong. And that’s why some saints fans, namely me, don’t. When it’s easy to bash then the bigger thing is not to bash. When it’s easy to hurt, the better thing is not to hurt. Instead of a stick or an online rant about how cowardly shit and useless they are May I suggest you try to put that admirable eloquence and energy of yours into coalescing us currently grieving fans into a force for good. For positivity. Maybe just turn up on Saturday and sing support for 90 minutes to show what those “useless” so and so’s on the pitch and in the boardroom. are meant to be bleeding on the shirt for and what being a Saint is all about.

Saints are 9/4 and 11.1 to win 1-2. Yeah I’m on that. 😇. Faith it will improve in the face of constant disappointment is the primary criteria for supporting this club. 😁