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No point FA setting a harsh punishment as a precedent as this is never going to happen again. No club will be as stupid as Saints to try to get away with it.

Its a good opportunity for a manager as if he gets us promoted then can leave for another club. Saints are a good stepping stone for managers. Unless you end up at Leicester

Bigger punishment, it would have much less otherwise.

Why is Tonda at Wembley couldn't they just call him or WhatsApp. Is he playing in the FA execution final v Cardinal Wolsley. Can you imagine a Boro striker being the executioner he would miss the head with axe 21 times then Tonda gets a reprive

Its the power of social media, we got well and truly stung buy Middlesbrough media and social medi campaign will 90 odd clubs falling in line and managers calling for removal of Saints in final. Tonda banned for life. Its all working to plan very well

May as well go for 24 months ban

It must be a case of power and influence for City and Chelsea. If FA are scared of Chelsea then City case will be dropped. Otherwise points would have been deducted years ago.

On the phone to Gibson say is that good enough for you or do you want to appeal for 18 months.

No point appealing it's not going to make any difference as we know from EFL judgement. Its not a real panel or court or official magistrate just a few blokes at a desk. Spygate is the biggest and highest profile issue the FA will ever deal with.

Spygate is something tangible FA and EFL can punish, where as Man City and Chelsea are just accountancy mistakes that won't ever get the same sanctions. No one cares about clubs cooking the books in media. Other dont care either I haven't seen any other club complain or create a media hate campaign about City. We dont have £250bn either

Sales at about 9.45 am

Sell out easy. Top tier is terrible view so avoid if can or bring binoculars. Or just walk into lower tier HT

I can see a situation where Boro and other clubs spot Tonda communicating with anyone in ground and that gets interpreted as cheating. If he stick 2 fingers for two sugars in coffee that's two at the back. He could use race course tick tack

Good point

At the fans forum we were told there are contingencies and measures in place to cover possibilities. That implies a temp coach has been identified so currently staff or a manager out of contract (not sure who that would be)

We have a chance of promotion to Premier League which makes the case important. if we were in league 1 or 2 no one would care, and the punishment would have been insignificant.

Its not a bigger sports story than Spygate. This is just a bit of documentation mistake lawyers will say. Accidentally down loaded something under stress, human rights to decide not to have vaccinations, oversight.

Its the exact question I picked up from some fans during the Wrexham game and on coach back. It also raises the point of recruiting inexperienced managers who have data driven experience which looks the the CV clincher. Can anyone who understands data first manage a team rather than the training stuff on coaching badges

If Tonda gets 12 months ban cant he work from home like Tuchel did. Its not difficult as we manage our games by data analysis not what happens on the pitch.

Anything Saints have done from day one has just added to the media's archive of spygate resources. Spygate will run for 25 years, it a reporters dream, social media just grows kn idiotic thing people do. No one cares or talks about Man City or any other football issues. Its all Saints and how stupid the have been. The club made things worse by not admitting it and firing Tonda as the must have known everything. Boro’s Saints hate campaign has been superb and it cant be stopped. Wrexham have just put it back as number football topic. The creative minds on Saints cheating is endless. We shot ourselves in the foot, Man City won't even get a fine as accounting mistakes can dissappear in loop holes, getting caught spying cant. I dont think Tonda will come back, media want him gone, clubs want him out and Saints are completely useless at thus stuff.

Oh and I can see Skates making a video like Wrexham just to try to unsettle Saints. Plus others teams jump kn band wagon.

Saints 1-1 Pompey.

Norwich should beat Bolton today and that puts them back in top 8 which will give then a boost v Saints. I dont think we are capable of winning away yet due to our defending. But I will go with a draw on the basis that Tonda now admits he needs to have a 2nd style of competitive formation and substitutions that actually help (and not at 90 mins)

What was the point of putting him on with 2 mins of added time left.

If you watch our games closely the first 10 mins allways has Scienza targeted by two opposing players so any of the deliberate hacks dont get booked, then one player will hit harder. Exactly what Wrexham did and eventually mentioned Scienza wasn't running or turning as best he could , he goes off and we are not as dangerous. Simple as that all tge teams we have played and last year do the same.