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Roughly translated into "Bloody hell, this guy has done it again and shown us all up as blinkered childish twats". Here endeth the lesson.

I have seen almost every single person on this forum over the years call out Boris, trump and sunak over their u turns. Are you denying that? So why is starmer now thought of as good for doing u turns? Think about it. As ever I am full on correct in pointing out the incredible double standards.

Here we go again. Boris u turns, he is inept. Trump u turns, he is a buffoon. Sunka u turns, incompetent. Starmer u turns, good man for making sure he gets it right. Utter loon. So we're the others not doing a good job then in making u turns to make sure they get it right? Jeez.

The amount of TDS on here is incredible.

I know that ... it does not agree with lefty views or your views and thus is not telling the truth. So Starmer taking 800,000 disabled peoples money is totally fake news.

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/keir-starmer-general-election-labour-rebellion-benefits?fbclid=IwY2xjawLKVYJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHn2O_DzPau9Cxw82N_qfagglTH4cQGyAUnC7dogxjkbkGEKlbrCzOIbeBZ7X_aem_5qsQQaF2vjy0hO3aW7XtFQ&sfnsn=mo hmm. 👨‍🦽

And by the same token, it was being sold and pushed by people as FACT that it was safe and effective but it was nothing of the sort. It works both ways.

At last. I have been waiting for this, the most predictable and childish (inexperienced in the world) comment. I had a feeling it would be you as you seem utterly crushed by not being able to answer my points in any way. Absolutely brilliant how you thick ones get so riled when you cannot hit back on any real meaningful comment and opinion.

Yeah but it is definitely not thick to keep voting Tory and labour. We must continue with them.

More lies here huh. https://ibb.co/TqnXsdmZ

Sounds like you. Incapable of debate so just calls names, berates and makes jokes to deflect from your lack of intelligence. I think I shall just let you have your fun and accept I am waiting my time replying to you. Enjoy your next booster.

The scariest thing about COVID is that some people still fear it and believe it was all what they were told it was. How safe and effective was that Vax again?

Superb. Two more nonsensical replies still avoiding points well made. Cornered and you know it.

And you have evidence of this? You don't think the media is already being dumbed down? Jeez. You are guessing what they will do based on your confirmation bias because you don't like them. But you have no idea in truth that they will actually do any of those things. But we do know exactly what they other two will do as they have been doing it for decades.

A good try but you have still missed the point I was making in depth. The fact is, people have been following the same patter for that least the last 50 or so years. Vote Labour, they do crap, change to Tory, they do crap, vote back to Labour. Where has this got us? No where. In fact we are going backwards. After 13 years of so of Tory, 90's and 2020's we put Labour back in because the Tories failed miserably. Labour are once again going to do the exact same thing. So in 4 years, should we vote the Tories back in, knowing for a FACT they will change nothing for the better? It is no wonder people are flocking to reform. And IF their manifesto is true and they try to do all the things they have pledged, great. Will they do all or any of those things? Who knows. But one thing we know for sure is Labour and Tory will NOT do anything they promise for the better of people. So, in summary, do we vote in parties we KNOW will do nothing for us, as we have a proven track record of this. Or should we try someone knew and unknown? think about it. If Reform do no better than Labour or Tory (almost impossible), what have we lost? And please, OMG do not come back with the same old nonsense of better the devil you know. We must try someone new.

Of course u are. Because I have shown you up, it is your only route out of the corner. Much easier if you would just debate people and show them where you believe their statement to be wrong. But you can't, so u revert to name calling, silliness and striking out like a child.

Which clearly translates into... 'Bugger, he has me in a corner again and I cannot get out of it without admitting he is correct'. If you can, then please tell me where I am not correct in the statement I made? Come along now .. grow a pair and enter adult debate.

Once again, caught with nothing to say on the debate so resort to your normal IQ level.

What positive change are you expecting from Labour or Tory? Isn't it daft to carry on voting for them both when they have proven time and time again they are useless?

So we have determined i am correct. Change is needed . But it it thick to vote reform but OK to vote the usual idiots.

Thank you for a well thought out sensible point, and well made. In not so many words, we are saying the same thing. real change is needed. But what I am saying is that to carry on voting for the same old same and expecting a different outcome is utter madness. Reform may end up being rubbish also. But how can we know until we try. And surely trying them has to be more sensible than simply carrying on down the same road. To take your point about new faces etc., yes this is something I have also been saying for years. The two main problems is that they will be hard to notice without proper sponsorship and funding, and if then they find big funding, will they end up being owned by the rich again like Labour And conservative. Also, I have noticed over the years a lot of fresh idealistic faces come to the fore, and each and every time they either disappear and become ineffective or they become sucked in by the poison chalice of greed and corruption and sell their souls to the highest bidder. It is very hard to find a young idealistic politician/person who will not have his/her head turned by the riches available to them. So, in summary and conclusion, how do we find the new fresh faces, get them noticed and then stop them being turned over to the darkside?

One again you have missed my point entirely. No. In fact I suspect you know full well what my point is and you know I am 100% correct but because of your silly bias views and ways, you will never bring yourself to accept I of all people am indeed correct. A very sad way to live. I am genuinely sad for you.

I am stating very very clearly on the Reform thread that it is MADNESS to continue to vote for labour or Tory as neither of them cares a shit about the average person, and serve only their rich masters. If it is thick to vote for change in the face of two others who have a totally 100% proven track record of not giving a shit, then it is also utter madness to carry on with Lab and Con and expect anything different. We must have REAL change or things will remain as they are and I expect, get much worse.

You have completely missed my point. Further more you seem to have somehow decided I am not in anyway blaming the Tories. If you have a read you will see I have stated countless times on this forum that I believe there are both the same. Neither party does anything for the average working person. They look after the rich people and corporations. Now read my post again and you will see I am 100% correct.

I recall the old sayings on here and in pubs etc...it went something like this. I see the Tory scum are taking money from the poor again. Why the hell don't they just tax their rick pals so the pensioners don't freeze in winter. I wonder, why doesn't Labour Tax their rich pals and reinstate the winter fuel allowance?