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Correct, nearly 12% according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_prison_population#:~:text=and Wales only-,Immigrants and foreign nationals,578 having no nationality recorded. From 2022 but I doubt it has changed much, illiteracy and not having basic writing/reading/numeracy the biggy at 30% https://educationinspection.blog.gov.uk/2022/11/11/education-for-prisoners-with-learning-difficulties-and-or-disabilities/ Violent Schizophrenia is the variable that gets discussed often for the most high profile crimes if people aren’t managing their own medication and lose touch which those who were https://livingwithschizophreniauk.org/throw-people-schizophrenia-prison/

Yes, he did a windmill celebration. Good goal very out of keeping with the game, jinking run, beat a couple of Bolton defenders cutting to rifle in. Djorkaeff was very late with their goal, 95th minute and literally last kick of the game. My friend got offered out by another Saints fan at half-time in the concourse for being too critical of the players and strikerless formation (we struggled for goals early on but put that right after that game). Bloke had a young kid with him and three of us, my friend is six-foot plus and a solid unit. Not sure what his aim was there… I went to the 2005 game and missed Phillips scoring urinating having over indulged in the local Bank Top ale!

Far be it from me to speculate but the Wall St Journal and other outlets have https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1

I don’t think you are bad or evil, nor have we fallen out. You’ve just got a different opinion on what Musk did. Paying Robinson’s legal fees (ex-BNP) is certainly doubling down. Puts Nigel Farage in a corner, although not for long because I think like Sugar says Trump will elbow Musk out in 6 months. Plus Bannon is sniping in the background. Trump is the lead singer but he doesn’t write the MAGA tunes, Steve Bannon et al do, Trump performs them.

Should have been a warning to Schofield that she’d shop him in…

That was deliberate though, he went through a weird phase 1976/77 where he had an imaginary character he was playing called Thin White Duke from the album Young Americans. Dropped it later in 1977 when he moved from California to West Berlin and got off the drugs which he was on big time. Don’t agree with him doing it either but very different context. In his mind he was playing a character who did admire the Nazis, warped as it is. Claimed it was different to his real views but suspect he just got sober off the coke. Musk wasn’t playing a character. Or if he was that hasn’t emerged. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_White_Duke

Well said Egg. Hypo has his sources, we have ours https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/musk-nazi-salute-germany-holocaust-michel-friedman-b2684006.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=related&utm_campaign=embed2 Alan Sugar reflecting what a lot of people think about Musk becoming a hindrance to Trump shortly now he’s had the money to win the election and getting the elbow https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/musk-trump-lord-sugar-apprentice-b2682614.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=related&utm_campaign=embed1

He’s well aware on his Times Radio interview that he’s on Trump’s shit list but shrugged his shoulders.

If Juric can help them pull out some Man Utd displays and second half Saturday, they might encounter some mid-table outfits towards the end of the season dreaming of Barbados and not fancying a few challenges going in. 2-3 wins would do it.

Tommy Robinson, formerly of the BNP. Bit ‘awks’ as the kids say for Farage that.

No conflicts or interventions overseas, except where we want to seize their natural resources by force (Panama, Greenland). John Bolton who knows a thing or two about working for Trump, was saying that the best way for Western leaders to deal with him is transaction by transaction - don’t bother with policy, doesn’t do it, ditto strategy, not even American or NATO interests, Trump’s interests.

Corbyn claimed at the same time to be supporting Jewish groups in the party he led whilst being investigated for anti-semitism and pictured laying a wreath at the burial site of Palestinians killed in the Munich attacks, which he should never have done. Even when he laid flowers at the Centotaph, apparently he didn’t bow enough. No different to what Musk was doing virtual signalling in your picture https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-bow-at-cenotaph-on-remembrance-sunday-sparks-row-on-twitter-a6725976.html Now I can’t stand Corbyn or his nutcase of a brother, but there’s a double standard in him being pilloried for that and Musk being excused for doing a fascist salute behind the US Presidential Seal no less, because he also virtue signalled somewhere else.

Corbyn (rightly) was hammered for doing this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45170622 The fact he denied being anti-Semitic didn’t really wash. Musk ought to be held to the same standard

The world’s wealthiest man and current collaborator to the world most powerful just inaugurated. That’s why some groups are kissing his arse despite him giving the wink to people who would like to see them destroyed again. It makes sense alright but it’s vile.

In your opinion. Plenty of Jewish sources who are appalled by it and not seeking/cowed by Musk’s money. That salute and what was done to those Jewish people in that camp are inextricably linked, because that’s where fascism takes you. Christopher Polhaus and his ilk enjoyed it and are encouraged by it. Musk could’ve simply put his hand on his heart like the national anthem does. But he chose not to and hasn’t repudiated it. That’s on him and those gaslighting for him.

The fact there are laughing emojis on some of the posts speaks volumes. I remember going on a school trip to Germany not long after the Berlin Wall fell to this former camp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsenhausen_concentration_camp It (the museum) must have only just opened. The gold teeth extracted and the lampshades made of Jewish skin I will never forget. If you want to get in the gutter and laugh at that, and be gaslit by a wealthy man, go for it. But everyone knows that was a Nazi salute, and what they stood for. He could have said it was misconstrued but very sorry anybody thought it was. Easy to correct. But he didn’t, and that tells us the truth. That school trip, there were typical teenage boys larking around with salutes outside the museum, but they fucking weren’t afterwards. Big, strapping lads ashen faced and silent.

Allied to the fact billionaires in the crowd cheered it. Whereas here we have plenty of visual reminders of Nazi raids and bombs, including in Southampton city centre.

Only he can explain why he did it and own it. The trace of a smirk across his face tells me he knew exactly what he was doing and the storm it would create. It upstaged Trump somewhat which was his real aim I suspect. But he is a very troubled individual so who knows.

It was. Plenty of modern day Nazis are convinced too https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-salute-reaction-right-wing-extremists-1235241866/ As for the ADL, plenty of other Israeli groups including Zionist believe the ADL is sucking up to the world’s wealthiest fascist. Shame on the ADL, letting themselves and Jewish people down for a few quid https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-did-the-adl-conclude-that-elon-musk-didnt-give-a-nazi-salute-it-isnt-saying/ But then that’s all Trump people care about - money. And his economy will only deliver higher inflation and prices anyway.

Try that in Germany and enjoy the prison time. Or Australia https://ministers.ag.gov.au/media-centre/nazi-salute-and-hate-symbols-now-outlawed-08-01-2024 I don’t think that’s company you want to be keeping Hypo. PS - putting a laughing emoji to do with anything to Nazis disrespects these people and the risks they took so you could have the freedom of speech in the first place https://apnews.com/article/dday-veterans-anniversary-war-normandy-796b6ca453660a32e7925c1191205b81

Respect https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-pardons-capitol-riot-pamela-hemphill-b2678717.html

Takes a fellow criminal to understand this particular pardon https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e0jve875o

Post what you like Hypo but Musk did a Nazi salute. End of debate. More chance of Saints staying up this season than anyone believing otherwise. My grandfather fought those cunts in North Africa and Italy and knew what a Nazi looked like https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/musk-nazi-salute-trump-rally-1236113874/

Yep, there’d been pockets of trouble in some of the East Midlands and northern towns where the hotels were for a couple of years at least. Southport was the excuse, the reason people didn’t riot after London Bridge, 7/7 (I was on the north bound tube) was because the economy was doing better. The EDL were wrongly reported as being organisers because of some knuckle draggers chanting for Tommy Robinson but the very active and dangerous Patriotic Alternative were actually cited as being involved and certainly promoted it actively around the far right and white supremacist circuit. The group cited by Michael Gove as a group of sharply increasing concern and extremist motivations https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/uk-riots-patriotic-alternative-fundraiser-b2626667.html Those rioting weren’t for the most part far right troublemakers? Give me a break https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13719905/Far-right-thugs-humbled-face-justice-Rioter-28-shakes-cries-court-admits-punching-black-man-protester-knocked-ground-police-shield-admits-spitting-officers-three-jailed-today-violent-demos.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/14/world/europe/neo-nazi-uk-riots-elon-musk.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/09/riots-latest-news-protesters-stay-home/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_riots Good brief article here stating the EDL disbanded and wrongly pinned on riots, but PA and other white extremist groups were very active, and why they should be tagged extremists not terrorists as it gives them oxygen they want https://icct.nl/publication/british-disorder-why-we-need-take-far-right-violence-more-seriously

1997, David Hirst got the winner IIRC. As a Wendy legend that wouldn’t have down well with the Leeds fans!