Ken Tone

The trouble is we won't be able to tell the honest leaks from the wind ups

Coffee and biscuits break would be more pleasant surely? 😉

I fear we won't hear for a long time yet . I'd guess decision late afternoon told to clubs then a cagey period with possible (correct and false!) leaks before we hear either very late today, or tomorrow. Who cares about fans? 🤬

Oh, you mean with sophisticated surveillance equipment? 😉

Quite. Must have been taken from fairly close to be that quality. Surely he'd have seen he was being photographed, and reacted. Not just stood there holding his phone up.

I suspect the Boro response to you would be to say that they should be awarded the first game as a 3-0 win, thereby winning the tie overall as a 4-2 aggregate..... resulting in us being effectively chucked out. And that would set a 3-0 precedent for future ordinary league games. However that would also be a potential legal minefield because if we'd known before the second leg that we were 3-0 down, we'd have played differently in the second, taking risks and going hell for leather to score 4. Awarding it as a 3-0 win *after* the second leg disadvantages us unreasonaby. So we could use that in an appeal. All round the EFL have really cocked things up by setting a rule without setting a standard punishment for breaking it.

Surely there is no way we could be kicked out? It's clearly too late to do anything before Wembley, given the decision won't be for a while AND we'd have the right to appeal. If there was any attempt to award the game to Hull afterwards, Boro could argue that they might have beaten them in the final and demand a new game. Chaos Surely the most likely outcome is a fine plus at worst something like a points deduction next season (or next time in championship) with maybe a suspension for someone on the backroom staff.

Think that was Zippy.

Clearly we just need to employ the same lawyers as Man City.

Do we know the kick off time yet?

Yes I think he is But the Guardian isn't a Labour paper. Traditionally it's Liberal.

What strikes me is that we clearly didn't gain anything from any information gained. We played our usual team, in our usual formation...... no changes to counteract any tactic or formation of theirs. About the only potentially useful thing we might have learnt was that Hackney(?) wasn't fit. If he had been, maybe we'd have detailed someone to man mark him.... maybe

Step 4 , call people from Teeside Geordies. They hate that nearly as much as people from Sunderland.

It's not even for an upgrade that I want promotion now it looks close. I really don't fancy the PL. Far fewer games for a start, and constantly messed about by TV and other clubs' european games. Plus bloody VAR. But it's more that if we don't go up, we'll probably lose some of our best players. And gradually go into decline to become a mid-table so-so club. What's better .... a so-so championship club or a yo-yo PL/championship one? 😒

And his near-miss bicycle kick was bloody impressive too.