swedish dave

Despite the joy of Tuesday's result, there is still the ominous memory of Boxing Day, when we went to Oxford (and they were in the drop zone) with no form to speak of, and despite our 71% possession, we managed to lose the game. Ironically, many of the points we've dropped this season have been in matches where we had most of the ball -and even more shots than the opposition. When we get the ball we should attack even more - and not f**k around with dozens of back passes. Wednesday's current form makes our last season look half-respectable and despite the fact that they are already relegated - don't think that they won't put up a fight.

not one of Donald Trump's golf courses - is it ?

I agree with you Vectis ..that match performances are the key factor, but sadly when those expensive players finally leave the first question is always ....was he worth it ?. I guess (like me ) you have quite a few decades under your belt, but I always felt that our greatest successes were players who cost " next to nothing " to sign Paine, Sydenham, Channon head up that list, but the majority of those who broke our club record were a total waste of space. Looking back my list of exceptions starts with Tony Knapp and Ron Davies , but few others. Martin Chivers record transfer to Spurs gave us Frank Saul. To be fair, a mediocre player, who greatest credit was scoring a Cup Final goal, but his deal cost us a hefty 45K - and he was gone in 2 years with little to show in the record books. In the last 15 years, the best signings (Lambert and Fonte's name stand out as best) but the likes of the two Latin players (mentioned above ) but many later (post Koeman) additions were a disaster with the likes of Carrillo and Onuachu and Sulemana being the costliest. Nowadays, signing expensive players is akin to buying a lottery ticket where the selling club frequently gets the jackpot .

At last , someone else who appreciated Prowsey's input. Of course his performances were never good enough for some people, and the only downside was the fact that he was a bit " lightweight" and the average "bullyboy" in midfield often made sure to leave their mark on him, but his fitness record was second to one. Of course everyone talks about his freekick prowess, but that was only 30% of his goal tally and he had a good penalty-taking record, but his record for "assists" has never been published to my knowledge. David Moyes saw his potential and his first season with WHam was very productive with 8 goals and 8 assists but ironically WHam had other preferred choices for free kicks, but I noted that JWP gave a trademark assist for late goal in their recent game with Burnley. Sadly, we may never see him in Saints colours again, and if he did ever return, the obvious criticism comparing him as a young man would follow as was with Walcott and Lallana.

As I started this post (what a mess I made of it, too).. BUT most of you have grasped the nettle and the recent "comments on age " concerned Larin (who has helped us win 2 games so far). Just look back at the start of his thread and see who condemned him - simply because of his age. IF he were to stay..? he's unlikely to be getting a 3-4 year contract, but a player on form is certainly one to keep regardless of age, and he may even end up in the Canadian squad for the World Cup. My other reference to " 27 year old " came from the 2009 dialogue between Pardew and Cortese (who on his own admission knew f*** a** about English football ) and Pardew - already an experienced manager and former player. Fortunately Pardew convinced NC that his "age-bias" was unwarranted. Experience is vital in every side - especially one with quite young talents, and it was interesting to hear Cam Bragg praising the help he's getting from Oriel Romeo on a daily basis. Ironically neither of them will get a lot of game time for rest of this season, but the young man is learning from the older one's experience. Experienced players are the source of encouragement for the younger ones, and the storyline behind the success of Alan Ball's partnership with the young Steve Williams was part of Saints legend in the late 1970's

I never cease to be amazed by those who immediately condemn a player on age because (they think) he is ..too old. My response is ....compared to whom? Age is relative, (something I can relate to as I near my 7th decade as a Saints fan). Any player nearing, or even past 30 ....is often deemed to be too old by some on this site (although this is not a curse restricted only to fans. A classic tale comes from the period after Saints' relegation to League One (2009) and relates to a Sky Sports interview with ex-Saints manager Alan Pardew who was (at that time) our newest manager. Having taken over as Chairman (and holding the club's purse strings). Nicola Cortese was shocked when Pardew said he wanted to buy ..." a certain player," and Cortese asked him again....Do you really want to buy a 27 y.o ...for 1 million pounds?. The player in question was ...Rickie Lambert and that fee would be a record for League One club. The suitability, of any player to do the job may depend on fitness, or experience and doesn't depend on the year of his birth. Those of us who can recall the finer periods in Saints history will tell of Lawrie McMenemy's teams in the early 1980's in a period we saw a succession of players, (many over 30), who had captained an England team... at sometime in their careers. They were (naturally) all top class players and served the club well ..even for shorter periods.. but with great success. Players must be suited to the league they play in, and the role they are needed for, but age is not a concern - if good enough. Amongst recent examples, I noted that "the ultimate journeyman" Billy Sharp (who almost single-handedly dragged Saints over the line in our promotion season 2012) was (not for the first time) ..on the team sheet for Doncaster in our recent FA Cup tie - despite rapidly approaching the age of 40. James Milner began with Leeds at 16 and was still playing for Brighton at age 38, and they are not alone as we recall Saints one-time captain Stephen Davis was still a first-choice player in Prem. at 34, even before returning to Scotland where he played to almost 40. I hope those who see us being linked with "any older players" won't condemn before they can even see them in action.

NO ! I have a life outside of football (!) but I'm sure you are smart enough to figure it out yourself. The average Championship salary is probably between 20k-30K week, (due to age / experience). An average Prem. player (at our level ) between 40k-50k week, 60k or more for the best we have. Multiply by 52..and then by the years of his contract. Transfer fees are often published, so you finally end up with the overall cost, or at least something akin to it. Whether or not the player is " worth it " was the topic of an earlier post which related to my stats.. In general the answer is NO. Outstanding contributions to the club may be an exception, but no club is going to generate value when buying players for 100 million or anything like it, but billionaire owners live in a world we can`t understand and where extra zeros matter very little in search of bigtime success.

After Antonio's loan, Pardew wanted to keep him and the player wanted to stay, but Cortese refused to pay the 2 mill. fee demanded, and MO returned to Reading. Cortese was very "thrifty" at the start and the squads that won TWO promotions were built (firstly) by Pardew and later Adkins, and cost LESS THAN 6 million. In between time we had loaned both Papa Waigo (who also scored in the JPT final) and later Guly do Prado. At this point in time, Cortese (who on his own admission knew very little about English football) was conned into the two deals mentioned above (presumably by his foreign contacts who he seemingly trusted more). I won't repeat the stats. from my first post, but the net. loss on the two deals was approaching 45 million.

depends how you are calculating it. GR signed a 4 year contract in October 2012 . Cost 13 million.. When asked why he signed for Saints, he said... I couldn't believe how much they would pay me. (later revealed to be 65 K / week.... in 2012 !!!! ) He may have had a few good games, but in those 4 years, he played - just 55 games scoring 8 goals. Yes, he had a few injuries, but never fitted in and during that time Ronald Koeman couldn't decide if he really wanted him - or not. Finally GR was loaned for half season to Hull ( I think), then last part of his contract to Midd'boro who then signed him on a free transfer in the following season. The Echo later calculated that the whole deal (transfer fee + salary) had meant.. a loss of 21 million for Saints. A year later, another piece of " Cortese magic" was bringing in Dani Osvaldo (similar fees and salary) except that DO left after playing just 13 games and scoring 3 times, before nutting Jose Fonte in a practice session before being suspended by the club, and never played for us again. The outcome was made worse in that (having just be promoted twice) Saints were still "a poor club", and Cortese had subsequently borrowed the money for these deals ...at a very high rate of interest. (One might assume that a similar loss of income was accrued on the Osvaldo deal.) In the final analysis , it's hard to say who had the overall responsibility for these two deals. Was it Pochettino who wanted to bring DO in ? , or Cortese who approved the deal despite that it was a known fact that Osvaldo had previous .. " issues with his temperament". and so Vectis ..I rarely disagree with your posts, but I think we should agree to disagree on that one.

statistically correct - Which leaves him just one goal behind David Beckham's Prem. record tally, and the last time I checked no other Prem. player was even in double figures for free kick goals. (Interestingly, in his last season - Prowsey was Saints' top scorer with 10 goals) He was a Prem. player for Saints in almost 12 years, in which time he played for around a dozen managers and topped over 400 apps. whilst scoring 55 goals (that included 17 free kicks) plus a few penalties, and an un-named number of "assists". In his career with Saints he was long term absent from the squad just once 10 weeks with a fractured foot, and 3 games after a red card. He played every minute of every Prem. game for Saints during the period of his last 2 seasons, and regularly clocked the most distance covered in every game. I fail to see how so many people can claim his only contribution to the club was his free kick goals.

I remember a Sky Sport interview with ..Alan Pardew, who said that Cortese was shocked at " his target sighing", and he asked him.." do you really want to spend a million pounds on him ? " (that time around the player in question was...... Rickie Lambert). Cortese's judgment on players was doubtful to say the least, Ramirez and Osvaldo weren't his only "flops"

Now there's a player who Saints missed out on and all down to Nicola Cortese's lack of footballing "nous". We had MA on loan from Reading and he was in the team that won JPT trophy 2012 and he even scored, but when Reading wanted a measly 2 million to buy him, Cortese lost interest.. instead listened to "his Euro contacts" and bought ...Gaston Ramirez and Dani Osvaldo....at a combined cost of 27 million, and then they were signed on 4 year contracts with huge salaries. Both proved to be disasterous deals and almost bankrupted the club again. Antonio wasn't a defector, he might have stayed ..if NC had the b*lls to sign him.

....and a small pitch. It will be a field day for the wingers.

Clearly the man is "a thinker more than a talker". Why is it that so many people will make a judgement based on part of a short interview, when interviewers never take into account that ..(as in previous cases), when a person does not have English as first language, so many of the phrases / expressions used are " particularly English" and do not appear in any course book I've ever seen. (40 years in Sweden and teaching English internationally). I think Tonda has a fair understanding of English, but perhaps only within the framework of footballing jargon. Adapting his first language expressions into " acceptable English " dialogue isn't easy, particularly when being grilled some footballing " hack" who has seen it all before and is merely seeking a controversial headline. Getting results depends on injuries / form / a good portion of luck, and occasionally - even the absence of VAR. We've had 4 wins since the departure of Adam Armstrong (no offence to him. He DAJFU for several seasons), but our new line-up may prove to be a Godsend, if we continue with this latest successful run of games. Bermuda's point ABOVE..is well-made, in that players shouldn't need to be taught ABC before every match and if they are smart and know what to do, then we will win games. Tonda's task is to encourage and support them during the game, and give an acceptable after-match interview.

Jeering is a very poor reaction when it's your own player you're abusing. Credit to Tonda for persevering with him, but he doesn't seem to "fit " the formation we play. There are often long periods when I forget that he's on the pitch, but I'm sure there is a footballer in there somewhere, perhaps he needs the right move for him to see his best.