Matthew Le God

Such a kind and loving god!

And the biggest mass genocide of them all by the god of the Bible...

Page one of the Bible says god created everything. If a Christian or Jew does not believe their God created everything then they are not using their holy book. If you insist, there are hundreds of examples for these but here are a few...1) The Bible shows god says rape victims have to marry their rapists Deuteronomy 22:28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her,and they be found; 22:29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. 2) Sexism - the Bible says women will be punished by suffering in childbirth and their husbands will rule over them Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. 3) Slavery Exodus 21 outlines who you can own as a slave... 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 21:3 If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 21:4 If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. 21:5 And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him for ever. 4) God the baby killer Exodus 11 11:5 And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die, from the first born of Pharaoh that sitteth upon his throne, even unto the firstborn of the maidservant that is behind the mill; and all the firstborn of beasts. 5) God ordering one of many genocides... Samuel 15 15:2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

I have no idea... but why is this remotely relevant to what we were discussing?

I was talking about from the perspective of an all knowing universe creating God that free will is impossible as it conflicts. Under Christianity free will is not possible. I am not a Christian.

No, you've made a claim and refuse to back it up. I can't research a misunderstanding if you fail to say what you think the misunderstanding is! That is clearly not true Let's take slavery... The Bible gives instructions on who you can own as a slave, how much they cost to buy/sell, how long you can own them for and that you can pass the own as property. Or genocide... The Bible shows god ordered the genocide of multiple tribes Or rape... The Bible shows god says rape victims have to marry their rapists Or infanticide... The Bible says god killed Egyptian first born babies Or homophibia... The Bible says gay sex is wrong Or sexism... The Bible throughout places women below men Lots of other horrific things the Bible endorses, yet you bizarrely deny it does!

They haven't closed the borders.

Marian

Free will is not compatible with an all knowing God. If God created the universe and knows the future then he set the universe up in a way before we are born where he knew what would happen. So under the Christian model of a creator god who knows the future... free will does not exist. That makes the whole Adam and Eve 'test' to be ridiculous... how can you fairly give a test to Adam and Eve if you know before they take it that they will fail the test. How is that a fair test? So the Adam and Eve story is clearly flawed and the purpose of Jesus is to fix the problem of original sin in that story.

There is contemporary supporting evidence of his existence. The gospels were written decades after Jesus was supposed to live and was by unknown authors. The gospels contradict each other about the Jesus story so it is hard to take them seriously. They were embellished as the years went on to make them fit prophecy, they get more elaborate with each gospel to make the story sound more impressive.

1) Some historical characters and places are mentioned in the Bible and they have external collaborating evidence to support them. Jesus is not mentioned by any contemporary source. Spiderman lives in New York, Spiderman is fictional... that does not mean New York is fictional. 2) Jesus has nothing to do with the start of Judaism. 3) If you meant Christianity... then the gospels were written decades after Jesus was supposed to live and was by unknown authors. The gospels contradict each other about the Jesus story so it is hard to take them seriously. They were embellished as the years went on to make them fit prophecy, they get more elaborate with each gospel to make the story sound more impressive. 4) Robin Hood and King Arthur have very little evidence to suggest they were real people... yet myths have survived for hundreds of years about them

Explain then. Plus... So now you can answer my question. Do you not think it supports genocide? Slavery? Sexism? Homophobia?

First line of the Bible... 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.' That is everything. So where is the flaw? So now you can answer my question. Do you not think it supports genocide? Slavery? Sexism? Homophobia?

So now you can answer my question. Do you not think it supports genocide? Slavery? Sexism? Homophobia?

The Bible claims... - God created the universe - God created humans - God is all knowing So follow that through and god created the conditions for the universe and humans whereby he knew that if he created things as he did then toasters would be invented. The creator of the universe is therefore by definition the creator of the toaster. The reality however is, there is no evidence god created the universe... there is very good evidence humans created the toaster. There is a difference.

Yes, I quoted that question and answered that as well. So now you can answer my question. Do you not think it supports genocide? Slavery? Sexism? Homophobia?

I did answer your question. I quoted the first line of the Bible.

As I've already said, it is unlikely to reach that point as they aren't brainwashed with irrationality at a church as a child. If they did decide to believe things without sufficient evidence later in life I'd talk it through with them to see how they reached those conclusions.

Yet again... you don't answer the question.... Do you not think it supports genocide? Slavery? Sexism? Homophobia? First line of the Bible... 'In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.' That is everything. The holy books say he created the universe and thus everything from that point is his creation.

Bar

No I didn't. I summarised the first page, I did not quote it. Do you not think it supports genocide? Slavery? Sexism? Homophobia? It clearly does all of those. The god of the Bible is a horrific character, thankfully a work of fiction.

Morgan Freeman on a cloud >>>> Genocide, slavery, sexist, homophobic 'kind and loving' God of the Bible

I think you should look a little closer to home for that. The Bible supports genocide, sexism, homophobia and slavery. It is a horrific book with god being the worst fictional creation of all time. He kills far more people that the devil in the Bible.

A lot of the time when people pray they are harming themselves as they don't seek real answers or make real actions if they think god will solve things, this can impact on others in wider society and in the cases where there is little or no impact on individuals or wider society... so what? I haven't claimed prayer is 100% negative all the time.

This is a complete red herring as an argument and fundamentally flawed. They may be great thinkers, but to believe in a god given the lack of evidence is not being rational. So in this aspect of their lives they aren't being rational. The rational thing to do is withhold beleif until evidence supports it. That is how science works, so if a scientist is religious then they are not using the rational scientific method when applied to that part of their life.