Guan 2.0

Indeed, luckily they are used to speeches full of nonsense over there. Good to see that whomever gets the keys to the Whitehouse, speaking without engaging the brain will continue... With the follow up: [video=youtube;NDF-oN3B1PA]

Indeed. The perception is just as deadly to the Pro-EU argument as the reality.

No transfer request + He'll earn less money on his new contract.

Except if the move goes ahead, we'll be paying off most of Gaston's...

German women, Austrian women, Danish Women, and Swedish women, being raped and sexually abused. That's just the crimes that have come out in the last week. It's a bit more than 'having their arses groped'. The choice to do that has nothing to do with us living comfortable or 'Cushty' lives as you put it, and they, nor do we bear not encourage the blaming of victims for the for the crimes of others.

FootballItalia posted that story 5 minutes after I did! The info didn't stay in the club very long at all!

Don't be surprised to see part of the money we've saved on Caulker go into his pay off (it's been hinted at to me)

The kind of result that warms you on a wet and cold night!

If you are going to use the numbers provided by Rape crisis, you should also list the criticisms of their methodology they use in coming to their collusions. They don't actually count the numbers of rape victims in the UK, so saying that approx 85,00 and 12000 men are raped is just a best guess. They in fact use the accounts of women who have been raped, and often those who have supported them through therapy and recuperation, and extrapolate the numbers of women raped across the population from there. The problem with this is that they are tainting their results by using a biased (statistically speaking) source, and then presenting it as the everyday experience of all women. Asking a Rape victim if she has ever been raped, and her support network if they know of any woman who has ever been raped, is only ever going to provide one answer, and it presents a distorted view when submitted as a blanket conclusion. Also, counting individual rapes as rape victims. If a woman is raped by a violent male figure (who she feels unable to escape) 30 times in a week, then she has been raped 30 times, that is not 30 victims that need to be extrapolated up across the study. And while the statistics on reported rapes used by Rape Crisis were from 2013, a number of the papers used to provide evidence for attitudes towards rape were published in 2005 and earlier. Given that these studies can take 2-6 years to complete before publishing we are talking about studies that may not have even been conducted this side of the millennium, and therefore would not pass modern scholastic standards on Confirmation bias and illusory correlation. Looking closer, some of the sources used from 2007 onwards are little more than review papers of others much earlier work. These are just some of the reasons that the Rape Crisis numbers are not given more attention by the Public, Media, and Government, and unfortunately, is also used by some to diminish the traumatic process that many rape survivors go through. I also support those who argue that the Government should fund a full study under academic standards, rather than an NGO with little accountability. But the new issue facing Northern and Western Europe today is the willingness of some from Asia and Africa to become part of organised gangs that prey on young European woman, looking to Rape and abuse them, at the same time as robbing them of their valuables and self-worth. And unfortunately it was not inevitable, as the Finnish Police force's proactive approach proved. This could have been averted, and it is strange that when discussing this, the fact that the culture of some of the offenders host nation posits that a women and her testimony are worth 1/2 or 1/4 of a man's (depending if you prefer the Qur'an or Hadith) and that unaccompanied women are seen as incapable of being raped, is never mentioned by policy makers.

(Information that has been passed on starts) Not just Les Reed. We are a club with multiple departments, all of which are talented in collating and reviewing information, and making recommendations based on that information. In the past, how much attention players pay to their reviews has been a good indicator to the expected level of future commitment (Lallana). At the moment, our reviews are pointing to a number of worrying factors. We are not playing to the clubs preferred formation, despite purchasing players identified as being able to do so. Our training regimes are very segregated, and our post match analysis software is pointing to mistakes being repeated time after time. The path from the youth team to the first has been apparently shut, and those parents who advised their children to choose SFC over other suitors for reasons of development and who were already angry being misled, are now furious over Koeman's public statement on the subject. SFC is not an unfeeling corporate machine, and in times of goals aplenty and top eight places there is leeway on our methods, but given that most departments have voiced concerns over the direction and atmosphere of the first team, and those who are seemingly barred from joining it, adding to Koeman's unwillingness to commit and our horrific run of results (Information that has been passed on end) I would not be surprised if anything less than 6 points in the next 2 games sees Ronald stay until the summer. I am waiting on confirmation, but i enquired as to whether feelers have been put out over a new manager as of yet.

I can't speak for anyone else on this thread, but I that borders should not be shut completely unless there is a national crisis in place. Instead, I would prefer conditionally open or controlled borders, as is the norm in this country. I wish we had the infrastructure to lift more from the shelter zones, as one thing i agree with the Government on is helping those individuals who are most at risk and in the greatest peril. However, as someone who is left of centre socially an politically, it was not hard to see problems arising. Preliminary reports by the UN and the EU into the origin and demographics of the 2015 migration showed that a fair proportion of those entering Europe (and others, such as Slavs from inside Europe), were not from Syria, or indeed from active areas of conflict. It also showed a skewed proportion of young men without a higher education. But the message Promoted by Western and Northern Europe leaders was one of weel educated, helpless refugees fleeing conflict, in contradiction to their own evidence, and this was treated as dogma when engaging with the Press and existing population of Europe. The first major schism from the fabricated reality arose when these peaceful refugees started using violence (inwardly and outwardly) to regularly break the rule of law (including the same law they were seeking shelter under), destroying documents, and demanding access to countries with the best benefit package. I have every sympathy with those in Syria living under fear of death, and those who have made it to safety. I have nothing but contempt for those who have used abuse, intimidation and extortion to break into Europe, and now seek to visit every kind of violence upon its citizens, nor those who would mask their crimes. P.S. I am not suggesting you are the one masking any crime!

Nope, not sore about anything, as you have already shown you don't care for precedents or real world examples. Never let it be said you aren't a special case SOG, so just for you, and assuming you cannot fathom even base material, here is a breakdown of posts, just for you. Exhaustive in every sense of the word. P.S. Before i forget, congrats on derailing the thread again. Feel good about yourself. How are we getting closer to the 'Trump' question? Do you questioning the current policies wants to Ban all Muslims? Do you think this is a binary choice? As in a border is either open or closed with no measure in-between? Where does Batman say all countries should close their borders? Where does he go on to say borders should be closed to everyone? So as you see SOG, there are many 'False positions' above which you project on to batman as if they were his own. They were in fact, imagined by you, seemingly in response to questions never asked. So in my post, I answered those questions on batman's behalf, albeit in a sardonic manner, using the only examples of reply he could give which would slightly match the implied position. I know you find it hard to keep up SOG, so we'll recap. Batman was bemoaning the abuses visited upon young woman in Cologne, you then posted a reply that implied he was nearing Donald Trump's Idealogical policy sphere, and that he wanted to close all borders to everyone, and then I provided the only quotes that would make sense of your reply in any way, admittedly with an air of acerbic flourish. Oh and the Straw refers to the idea of the Strawman fallacy, but let's play along and pretend you can't comprehend that. So, now we have the previous posts in context, on to your most recent diatribe. More fun for all on this thread. It's strange, for all the others on this thread, no matter their viewpoint, there is only a general of confusion coming from you. It's almost as if you deliberately misunderstand world-views, and ignore or alter those opinions that do not agree with you. Well the paragraphs above are a breakdown of all the posts, so even you can go one line at a time and catch up. And here we have it, the crux of your online persona, which so closely resembles that of a troll. . Nothing is nuanced, there are no shades of Grey, just one of two options. If you disagree with the manner in which SOG assumes something, you must be in sympathy of the most extreme option. Why do you guess? Why not pick up on cues in the text (primary level stuff btw, and that's a fact, not an insult). When I wrote about "Controlled borders and conditionally open borders" in the very reply you are mentioning, did you even consider it, for a second? You say you've read it twice, which can only mean you filter out multifaceted approaches to situations at hand. Basic knowledge of differing solutions to a problem are key to any discussion, and if you want to debate someone on their stance, it's best to have rudimentry awareness beyond a two-choice paradigm. It's nice of to to couch your language as one who is offended. Yes, despite your best efforts to spam the board in your little war of attrition with misconceptions and false assumptions, quite literally boring people off, I will continue to post when you pull 'facts' from nowhere. How very dare I! Again, no. You asked for other examples of atrocities that have had such media coverage, I listed Spanish civil war, Vietnam war, Rwanda, former Yugoslavia, First World War and 'The falling man' on September 11th just off the top of my head as historical precedent, and provided images. You ignored their validity and just made the bizarre complaint that we hadn't talked about them on the thread, unwilling to admit the fact that had those subject been the topics of discussion, then doubtless they would have been brought up. Enjoy your night. And my regrets to the rest of the posters who had to read this.

Just going over yet another one of your posts, where you've invented a position to argue against, and claimed someone is proposing something they haven't actually given backing to, and given the quotes which would justify it as anywhere near your interpretation. It's a simple device to show how ludicrous your post was. Most people would comprehend this, but I know you like to play dumb(er?) in situations like this. P.S. "What is it you're are talking Guan? You might want to review the dosage" makes no sense. Did you mean taking? If so, ironic from a man who sees non-existent arguments everywhere.

Yes that's exactly what he said. Exactly that. Batman stated (and I'm sure you can quote him) "There is a binary choice when it comes to borders. Open or closed. Those are the only two options. Controlled borders and conditionally open borders are concepts which no global organisations have recognised as a concept or term and have been around since the the introduction of borders as we understand them today. I love Donald Trump and agree with everything he says. One thing I can't grasp is that I sometimes feel like I'm made of straw". Doomed by his own words.

Lack of clarity over his own future from Koeman himself - the club cannot be expected to delay that when the results are so bad.

And to ring in the New Year, ISIS Murder Five men and promise fresh attacks on Britain. Now featuring young indoctrinated paramilitaries. The whole thing is available on zero censorship, though I would caution against viewing. Extremely disturbing.

More likely to be escorted out.

Of course you don't. You have a viewpoint on all current affairs, and a job that leaves you bored, but when it come to areas of the country where extremely high rates of child abuse have taken place, garnering widespread and high profile coverage, and debated in parliament and police reform inquests, but the issue must have just passed you by. Perhaps you were looking the other way that week. Oh, and you haven't googled anything about it scince it's been mentioned. It's almost ludicrous enough to make me refuse to answer the rest of your fanciful little diatribe, but it does seem like that's what you wish for, so here goes. Of course my friend, of course. I'm also willing to believe that Hillsborough means only the home of Sheffield Wednesday to you, and Trojan Horse is only associated with Troy in your mind. But hell, i'll bite and cut and paste the exact order of words you typed into your response, but somehow neglected to google http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Rotherham%2C+Rochdale%2C+Oxford+ only the 900,000 results for 5 seconds of effort, so it was obviously just a small local news thing, eh? Fella? Why not end it with 'Pal' and use the full on lexicon of The Sun? As I posted earlier, the display of images that show the aftermath of unjustified slaughter and mayhem are regrettably the only way to convey the full savagery of the perpetrators, and the right to show them has been fought for by those who would not see the Truth censored. The Falling Man (September 11th Attacks), The Falling Soldier (Spanish Civil War) and Phan Thi Kim Phuc (Vietnam war) (the young girl famously running burnt and naked from a napalm air strike attack on her village) are just three such examples. The press fought for and won the right to broadcast the utter inhumanity shown to the victims of the Rwandan Genocide. The holocaust was denied until the unfiltered images came out of the concentration camps. The Bataclan photo is just as necessary, no matter how difficult it is to look at. Top marks for shifting the onus to those who inform others of atrocities, from those who carry them out. The uncensored truth matters, especially during a open and frank discussion on the aftermath of the Paris massacre, whether that's on a subforum or elsewhere. But I know you don't actually care about any of that, and were just trying to get in a cheap dig because someone called you on trivialising targeted child abuse by pretenting you had never heard of it in named areas of the country, or subsequently taken 5 seconds to google the areas mentioned to you. You made untrue allegations about other poster's remarks, and when I and others reposted or pointed to the post numbers and it was shown they did not say anything of the sort, you ignored it and carried on regardless. This thread has all the posts still if you want to go back and look. But I realise if more than one person points this out they are a bully. There is more than one family with fifteen children, in the world that is. What does this have to do with anything?

No, I generally don't get a bee in my bonnet about anything, I just dislike those who spam threads endlessly hoping that if they repeat the same phrases ad nauseum, people will get tired of the onslaught and leave the thread, or think "Hmm, didn't agree with the argument the first hundred times, but the second century really knocked my existing beliefs for six". As for Ideology, if there's a god of serial contrarians who fancy themselves iconoclasts, then surely you worship at his alter. You say you resent being called a troll, yet in the run up to military strikes in Syria you were happy to invent phrases and positions that other posters had not expressed, and then argued against them. Most damning of all, just 4 posts previously, you wrote this: As amusing as your flippant response might be to you, I'm not sure the victims of horrific gang-rape, long term beatings and burnings would find your feigned ignorance as humorous. And you have the gall to bring up taste and decency about a factual account of a massacre, presented without editing for reasons of verity?

It's always so trying with you... 1. When did I call you a 'Leftie'? 2. When did I say anything about Harman? 3. When did I talk about segregated meetings? 4. If those comments aren't addressed to me, why mention them in reply to my post?

I can't tell if SOG is a deluded but principled individual, ignoring reason in favour of an idealogical standpoint, or a network of trolls operating a parody account.

Indeed. The UK and other NATO signatories are reported to be back-channelling with Russia even as I type. It's a blatant attempt by Turkey to split the permanent members of security council along cold war lines, as recent events had forged a loose understanding. That, and Turkey has been unable to funnel as many supplies, men, and ISIS Oil Drums back and forth across the border.

Initial reports suggest a bank robbery. Nothing concrete thus far.

Daily Mail accused of paying for, and then destroying, CCTV evidence of attacks on the Cafe district. http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/nov/24/daily-mail-cctv-video-paris-attack Absolutely deplorable stuff, even more so because its an actual accusation backed up by plausible collation of sources, and not a sly rhetorical device used to detract from an atrocity, plucked from thin air.