The Kraken

My thoughts are that the last thread was closed for a daft reason. Good work Charles. Hope he stays but no smoke without fire, he's hardly entrenched himself here in the past few months.

You might want to get your facts right, if you're going to make insinuations. I commented back to you on your ridiculous terminology, nothing more. That you're childish enough to get upset about being called up on it probably says more about you than it does me.

Apology accepted, Dell One.

I find it quite quite bemusing, really. In a "how can you really get that wrong?" type fashion! Ho hum. Guided Missile brings up a good point. I don't think I've ever been more soaked to the skin than after that Derby playoff game. Ridiculous scenes, especially with their fans not wanting to celebrate promotion but instead looking to battering innocent Saints fans outside. Utterly bizarre from them, there wasn't even any real needle during the game between the sets of fans.

Fear not, Stevo has spoken for "the majority of Saints fans". He's clearly got his finger on the pulse of public opinion. I imagine he's done polls and all sorts.

Fair enough, but it does. Those are the rules, and everyone knows it. I think I would definitely feel different if all of the promotion places went to playoff. But they don't, the top 2 places (and top 3 in league 2) get their rewards. That third spot gets a little bit random but keeps the season alive for many more teams. I simply don't agree that's unfair.

Really?

It's also irrelevant to whether you support or disagree with the principle of the playoffs for the third promoted side. As I said earlier; it doesn't necessarily reward the team who have performed the best over the season. But I think it's a good system, everyone knows the rules beforehand, and it keeps most of the top half of the table competitive usually right into the last games of the season. If you disagree with the concept then, of course it doesn't need saying, that's fine. But claiming something is grossly unfair when it clearly is anything but, I won't go along with that. Out of interest; do you find American sports to be "unfair" when it comes to determining the winner? As i say, I don't think it compares well to the competition for the third promoted side, but interested to hear the views from someone who lives that side of the pond. I admit, I wouldn't like it for the English leagues to choose a winner by playoff. But for promotion, I just think it works. And if everyone knows the rules beforehand it can hardly be described as unfair IMO.

Would I? You've just described a completely different thing.

It can be argued against because everyone knows the rules at the start of the season. It's not exactly a surprise that finishing 3rd place guarantees you nothing. Personally I think the playoffs are a great idea. Not the textbook definition of rewarding the best side over the course of a season, but everyone knows the rules beforehand.

Sums it up.

The only worry I'd have about the Rank Xerox (which is an absolute classic) is that a modern day equivalent would put a twist on it and somehow f*ck it up.

Not a huge fan of that Hummel shirt; but I wouldn't mind a full red and white halves shirt as a nod to history. A bit like this, but with white socks:

I can't believe I haven't posted this one yet; it's my favourite Saints video. Lawrie Mac's impression of Micky Channon cracks me up every time.

Yeah, that's kind of why I knocked it up in the first place, I'm expecting nothing of the sort to actually be released. I'm not overwhelmingly a huge fan of stripes, and i welcome us doing different things so long as the kit looks good and represents something of Saints. Neither of our last two home kits have done that for me.

Erm, whelk, what are you doing?! Check out the top of page 15...

Garry Monk right back, Fat Kevin Davies at right mid. What would have happened if baldy Marsden had gotten to that ball instead of MLT??!!

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Danny Wallace overhead kick (and later header to thrash the scouse).

For f*ck's sake KBilly!! To be fair, that really is classic old school Saints!!

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Post your own. Here's some to start. Saints 4 Liverpool 1

At international level, do you include that?