Saintandy666

Yep, if you live in the south which most people on this forum do I guess he represents US. The thing is he is a good speaker, so he can make bull**** sound plausible. Makes me appreciate the BBC watching that as well... it was so god damn bias! I just can't take other countries criticizing us like this, but when one of our own does it in their country... it's like treason. I think John Prescott's video on this is quite good. - represents the NHS better anyway.

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/25666562/you-were-warned.htm Just watched Dan Hannan's interview on Fox news, he just really ****es me off with the bull**** he's coming out with in this lead on by the most bias interviewer ever but that's what it's like in the U.S. I love how in the corner it has it's logo 'Fox News: Fair and Balanced' - oh the irony. I also love how now alot of people who have moaned about the NHS are really coming together in support of it now. It's a bit like a family member, you are allowed to moan about it but if someone else does you get really defensive. I think it goes to show how many people really value the NHS, just they are usually drowned out by the moaners in the Daily Mail.

NHS via taxes: Always covered regardless of treatment. US via insurance(if you have it, 44 million americans don't): covered for basics, but if more treatment is needed, often that means you have to cough up alot more(despite already in alot of cases paying more per year per head on insurance than we do per year per head for the NHS).

The thing with the NHS is you always know you will be treated in some respect. In the U.S, you are at the mercy of the insurance companies who may decide your insurance doesn't cover the treatment you need to live.

The Liebherr fridge was **** btw.

Well, he wasn't getting much play here. Good luck to him.

Some people moan that alot of the very very expensive treatments aren't available on the NHS, but of course there has to be a limit because the NHS obviously has an overall budget it can't exceed, but at least you know here you will get some sort of treatment and you also know you won't have to pay thousands of pounds for that treatment or drugs. Some of the criticisms aimed at the NHS on treatments or drugs not offered are all very well, but in the U.S very few people would be able to afford these treatments anyway, or many of the treatments or drugs the NHS provides.

Well, the unemployed I guess which is 2.2 million now? But even then, VAT and what not...

Well, I guess to the fools of this world who don't understand what taxes are for and how the money the government gets is sliced up, they'll think it is free.

Yes, but when they say free, most will mean when they go to the hospital they are just treated without having to pay, whereas at an American hospital a credit card will be required.

Re: Saint George on it works for the hard working person, but not the idle people who made the wrong decisions. What absolute ********! How much you earn isn't an indicator of how hard you work and what sort of person you are, alot of what you earn sadly still is influenced by where you are born and who you are. So, a hard working person can afford say $40,000 for treatment, whereas a non-hardworking person can't? Not true, I'll think you'll think the average earner in America, hardworking or not wouldn't be able to afford or would struggle to afford that kind of treatemnt.

No-one is lying in the government or otherwise that a proportion of our taxes is what funds the NHS. It's this system that makes it affordable for every single person in this country. In contrast the U.S rightwing has just made up absolute bull**** from which has no basis in fact at all.

We had a Liebherr fridge in the place we stayed in in Italy this year

I don't know but our system of funding is much better than theirs where you are at the mercy of whether the insurance company thinks your treatment is covered under your policy and whether you'll have to fork out thousands or not. Yes, someone may come back with you're at the mercy of the NHS but it's different because it isn't a run for profit organisation. The NHS has a moral/governmental obligation to treat you.

Key word: if, I think it is 40 million americans that don't have insurance because they can't afford it etc. Many might have it from their jobs... what if you lose your job half way through say a treatment, if the money stops the treatment stops and it's put on the streets, home and probably death. All the richies don't seem to see it's not one of the other, they can still have their private separate hospitals while every else can afford the NHS eqivilent ones. However, I guess the healthcare companies would see different seeing as they'd lose alot of business, yes, in America healthcare is a business run for profit. In the USA, sick people are customers and that disgusts me.

Yes, it's paid in taxes but because it's spread out you don't suddenly have to find £40,000 to pay for an operation, you know you are going to be treated regardless of whether you have to money. You say it's wasteful but we spend less per head on healthcare here in the uk than in the USA and still have a higher life expectancy and better healthcare system. My original main point wasnt that there system is ****(I think it is though) but the lies a scared rightwing will spout to stop change, think up some real reasons why not instead of lies.

I guess sarcastic then...

Serious or sarcastic?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/11/nhs-united-states-republican-health The rightwing in America has been attacking the NHS to try and derail Obama's healthcare reforms, but some of the ******** they have come out with is just unfounded. For example, one of the many lies put around about why the NHS is so bad is because they say if you are over 59 you can't get a heart bypass or operation... oh right because my Grandad wasn't 70 at the time of his triple heart bypass. Apparently, also... the NHS values 6 months of life at $22,750 and if the treatment costs more than that, then they leave the person to die. What absolute ******** again. The list goes on and on. The NHS is one of the great things about this country, and they can make up all this crap about treatments we don't give, but I'd rather live in a country where I know I will always be treated and given a chance before my wallet is checked. Where you know you won't have to end up on the streets because your Mother contracts cancer. Yes, the NHS isn't perfect, but people just don't realise how good we have it. And it's a darnsight better than what the US has. A system that works well for the rich, but forgets the poor.

Well, the judge/court accepted she had no knowledge of the murder. She is a bad person for the lie, but not on a par with Huntley who is a child murdering ****.

Sorry, it was not just a reply to you, but the general opinion of some of the posters on this thread.

I like the idea of pompey at home. Would probably lose, but would be a great match.

No, I'm not looking for an excuse for her. I'm not defending her at all. She is clearly a ****, but not a murderer. What I am saying isn't unjustified or unsubstantiated, but fact! The court/judge ruled that she had no idea that the murders had been done by Huntley. Stupid, Naive, Selfish; yes, of course... but on a par with a murdering bastard? I think not.

It's looks like he is trying to knock the millwall player out or something, but with some really weird technique.

But we have cash.