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Not sure what point you’re trying to Make. I’ve never denied racism exists. Already said that. I also said it’s highly amusing how a left wing white person from Sheffield feels they’re qualified to tell a black American bloke who is a former copper they don’t know what they’re taking about and must clearly be a loony trump fanatic because they have an opinion different to theirs. Don’t you agree?

I’ve never dismissed any occurrence of racism

amusing that a black, American former police officer who stated a few facts is dismissed as a lunatic trump supporter who doesn't know a thing about racism in america by a white key worker bloke in Sheffield

What's that now the fifth injury this season? You have to wonder if the club are praying he doesn't sign.

now this rears it's head again British Super League secretly planned with Rangers and Celtic joining Premier League giants Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal (thesun.co.uk)

Roy Hodgson will be available in the summer, proven record of success.

i see GMB were stirring it up this morning. 30 years since the Stephen Lawrence murder and with the George Floyd murder we're discussing do you trust the police? Wow linking two unrelated murders 30 years and 5000 miles apart to trigger a discussion like that. Pretty shameful really.

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Exactly. Unfortunately saintforever isn’t bright enough to grasp it. In his very naive little world the judge will tell the jury to ignore the world wide uproar that’s been drummed into everyone for a year and just concentrate on what the barristers tell them. Impossible to do.

So what? Could have been manslaughter, but that verdict would have caused rioting, which everyone knows it would have. I’m not defending him or saying he isn’t guilty, just pointing out that a jury was under pressure to reach a verdict and it was impossible for it not the be impartial.

Do you think someone, especially a copper would deliberately murder someone if they knew full well dozens of people were filming it? And the silly laughing emoji appears again 🙄

Precisely. Trial by media with only one possible outcome.

He might tell them that but how can you not be influenced? It’s not the jury’s fault it’s perfectly natural to be. Any verdict other than murder would have be met with rioting and outrage, even that would put a jury member under subconscious pressure to reach a particular verdict

Like who? What managers with a successful premier league track record will join us?

But you admitted that the jury would have preconceptions, which is exactly the point I was making. A jury should be impartial, regardless of what you think about the crime or individual that’s how the jury system works. It’s why they order media blackouts in some trials so the jury are not influenced by reporting.

Oh and “people trying to stop racism” you talking about you who when you did have the chance to do something other than post about it on an Internet forum bottled it

I’m not talking bollocks, my initial point was he was always going to be found guilty as the jury will have preconceptions due the furore (that means public anger by the way) around it. Despite your initial denials you’ve admitted that is the case so you’ve actually proven my point, congratulations on making yourself look stupid again and once again resorting to being abusive whilst doing it.

Oh that’s all right then! Doesn’t matter if it’s the right verdict, or if the jury are impartial or not. Why bother with media blackouts in trials then? Fuck it! Let’s do trials by media in future Why are you being abusive? Is it because you’re all confused again?

How can you have an impartial jury if they’ve already seen multiple videos and reports of the incident before the trial? You’ve defeated your own point by stating “any preconceptions the would have” exactly my point, they shouldn’t have any

I’ve always maintained Hope Powell is the best fit for a progressive club like us

Did anyone really believe we’d win at half time? It obvious we’d lose and Spurs wouldn’t be as shit second half. I’m afraid that was as predictable as it gets.

So you're not willing to admit that there was a good chance it was not a fair trial as it wouldn't have been an impartial jury. How could a jury not be influenced? The world was saying it was murder, the media were reporting it as murder, there were riots in the street condemning the murder. No one would not be influenced by that. You made your mind up from 4,000 miles away. The blokes obviously a bit of a c*nt and obviously guilty of an offence, it's great he's no longer a copper but being a c*nt doesn't mean he didn't deserve a fair trial. As that is the very basic right of every defendant. Something you seem unwilling to admit that was likely.

You'd already decided he was guilty. What makes you think think 12 people would not have been influenced not even 0.000001% by all the press coverage and rioting that went on beforehand? If they were influenced, however marginally, it wasn't a fair trial. Are you telling me no one was influenced by this sort of article released 9 months before the trail started? George Floyd's death was 'murder' and the accused officer 'knew what he was doing,' Minneapolis police chief says - CNN

"He was obviously guilty, we all saw what he did." that was your opinion based on not hearing the facts. It sounds like you would have needed your opinion changing if you'd been on the jury, you wouldn't have been completely impartial. Do you then think 12 randomly picked people who had seen the riots, seen the footage and had it drummed into them for a year that it was murdered by the entire world would have entered into the court room with a completely impartial view? It seems you wouldn't have.

But you'd made your mind up as to his guilt. hence my point how could it be a fair trial.