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Should have at least lunged at him rather than the girly spitting.

That does not mean they will be removing the online streaming aspect. That will just stop pirate sat boxes that pubs use.

I have paid Al jazeera directly for the season. Nothing to do with dodgy streams.

How is it piracy if I've paid?

This basically.

Al jazeera mobile app though is fantastic:

Here is the quality on my Android phone on the star sports app. Not as good but still acceptable: Will do as a backup if Al jazeera goes down on my phone or pc .

Working perfectly on AJS think I entered the DNS settings wrong on my new laptop. Now in virtual HD on my telly. Have paid a fiver for star sports as abackup should I have any problems thanks ess.

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So where is the cutoff point? At what level of discrimination is bombing innocents abhorrent and what level is it acceptable?

That depends. I do believe that in the majority of cases it is totally unjustified to kill innocent people in a protest. I bet for example the families of those who were killed by the ANC had a different perspective on Nelson Mandela. I expect the elder Nelson Mandela would also agree that his actions when he was younger were totally wrong. As I said though, simply expressing regret does not absolve him of his crimes.

It's all to do with the racism thing. Because we live in enlightened times now and we know how bad racism is, all sorts of terrible things done to fight racism are sort of OK now because, you know, racism is awful. Or something like that...

Oh so now I hate the British army and am an extremist muslim? I wasn't aware!

I think I get it. Racist governments opressing your people = mass killings of innocent people in protest OK if you express regret afterwards. Become a reformer and stand for peace and you will be lauded and become an icon for people to look up to. Unwanted occupying army killing defenceless civillians amongst a number of other atrocities = mass killings of innocent people in a protest that you believe to be justified is absolutely not allowed. You are subhuman scum who should be villified. Death penalty is too good for you. Even if you subsequently express regret you should never be looked up to or followed as an example.

Ok then so in that scenario according to you mass killing of innocent people is justified. Are there an other crimes that are committed where this sort of 'protest' is acceptable?

It very much depends from whose perspective you are viewing that from doesnt it:

No just indiscriminate killing of innocent civillians and families (not to mention the drone strikes). So not as bad at all. oh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007_Baghdad_airstrike http://www.britisharmykillings.org.uk/page/113/The-Issuess

But the occupying forces in Iraq and Afghanistan have committed all manner of atrocities at least comparable to apartheid south Africa in a number of cases. Have you seen the wikileaks stuff? And how does creating a peaceful democratic South Africa absolve him of his previous crimes as head of a terrorist organisation that bombed innocents?

My point was that the bloke was dead so there seemed little point since he couldn't be brought to justice. He still can't be and an investigation should have happened earlier. Not sure what this has to do with this discussion...

OK then using that logic and my example below, the Iraqi tries protest and sabotage against the British army in Iraq and gets nowhere so presumably bombing the tube would be perfectly justified and he should be applauded? How is that any different?

I wouldn't use any western government as an example to follow. They aren't being idolised and held up as shining beacons of peace though are they.

Imagine for a second that an Iraqi is fed up with the British army ruining his country and oppressing his fellow countrymen so he goes and organises a load of bombings in protest in the UK which kills a load of innocent people. He then gets sent to prison for ages and in the meantime we come to understand that the Iraq campaign was totally wrong. After a couple of decades he is freed and welcomed as a hero and an example for out children to follow because he doesn't harbour any Ill will against the authorities that imprisoned him. Now how is that much different from what happened here?

He expressed regret apparently.

My point is that expressing regret for mass killings of innocent people doesn't absolve you of the crime or make you some sort of example for people to follow.