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That's up for debate and there are some reasons behind that anyway. In all honesty it doesn't really matter though because they won't be in power. The media and other parties aren't listening and so most people who vote Ukip will do so to send a message and will then vote differently once the general election comes.

I don't get your point. Political party has some oddballs and individuals with hateful views in it shocker.

In all honesty why do their other policies matter? This is a European election and every major party refuse to listen to the concerns of the majority so people will vote for Ukip to send a message. They are a one issue party but it just so happens that the public care about this issue more than liblabcon would like.

All parties have members who in the past have expressed racist views or have had Controversy involving race. This is more of a problem for Ukip as they have seen a surge in popularity so quickly so it is harder to vet candidates. They are dealing with the problems this has caused. Having racists as members of a party does not make the party racist. If it did then every political party virtually would be racist.

Gullibles like mlg get suckered in

Did Ukip say that? I think what they object to is open door immigration from countries in the EU. Not sure why you are lumping the bnp in with them.

Ukip for me and then I'm adopting a wait and see attitude for the general election.

Bit odd that it is described as an open display of racism. Yes it's viewed as a racist term but surely you have to consider intent before deciding if it is racist or not?

Halo Stickman I will reply in more depth but I'm on my phone at the moment so it's more difficult.

Where has anyone said that she deserved to die?

Err I said that in my opinion there was nothing wrong with having a couple of drinks. My problem was with the word 'sloshed'. What is meant by that? I am sure everyone knows when they are able to safely look after a child and when they are not. Having a pint or two is in general unlikely to make you a danger or reduce your ability to keep a child safe. Getting drunk to the point where you can't look after people in your car is disgusting again imo.

My point is that the excuse of a dysfunctional upbringing only goes so far. Do we absolve everyone of their crimes if they have had a poor upbringing?

I heard Ted Bundy had terrible parents who gave him a rubbish childhood. He has my deepest sympathies xxx

For me the line is somewhere between having a couple of drinks (both parents being sloshed as you put it is still highly irresponsible imo) and taking heroin. Where exactly that line falls is up for debate.

I have never done that. When in charge of children I have always been capable of looking after them. Anyone who has done that should be widely condemned and their capability of being a parent should be seriously called into question.

But minty where do you draw the line? If someone goes out and murders someone or molests a bunch of people do we just say well none of us always do what we should have done? For me taking heroin when in charge of a child is crossing the line and isn't simply something that everyone would do in the right circumstances. It is inexcusable.

I understand the point that not everyone is perfect, I would just say there is a line that shouldn't be crossed. I recognise that everyone has faults, I just don't think someone taking heroin when in charge of their children can be easily dismissed with a 'we are all imperfect' or 'it could happen to anyone. '

Exactly. Thank goodness the child wasn't injured and a small mercy is that her children are still so young that they won't remember or be affected much by her actions. Does make you wonder if other members of her family knew about her drug problem yet let her look after the children anyway. You would hope they had more sense than that.

What if her 11 month old child had died as no one was able to look after her when she decided to abdicate her parental responsibilities and take heroin? Frankly with child protection issues it is fairly black and white to me. Seen too many horrendous cases first hand where children have been destroyed because of the selfishness of the parents. Take heroin when children are in your care and you don't deserve to be called a mother.

Sure 'mate.' Any parent who takes heroin when they are looking after their children is scum.

Some papers reporting that it was a heroin overdose when her 11 month old daughter was in the house. If true then good riddance to her.

They will never ever be the party in power so why does it even matter what their other policies are?

Fair enough well we will see won't we. It is my belief that if Adam leaves, Shaw and Morgan will follow and we will have an underwhelming season. I'm hopeful Adam will stay at the moment though.

Many of our players have already said in not so many words that they will stay if poch stays and if we strengthen what we already have from this year. Lallana Shaw and Morgan are pretty much our three biggest players now that Jay rod is injured and you could make a case for lovren. Look at spurs this year and how they have fared with their big money replacements (and indeed us with osvaldo and ramirez.) in my opinion, Adam going will see Shaw and Morgan departing too and we can prepare for a much less successful season.

If lallana goes then I expect poch will have left and almost certainly Shaw. I can definitely see Morgan leaving in that circumstance too. That's the spine of the team right there.