Roger

Lowe was the worst thing to ever happen to the club. He should be left where he belongs, in the past.

Oh it's much better than those days. I'm saying further down the line and koeman was a huge name as the player but still had things to prove as manager.

I just said I'm not blaming anyone.

This is what's happened in a nutshell. 1. Original 5 year plan and then cortese had told players we were going to become champions league club. By keeping the best players and buying better players. Summer of 2013 we bought Osvaldo 12million, wanyama 12 mil and lovren 8.5 million without selling any of our best players. A trend that other than selling the ox in championship had happened for 3 years. As a result of this plan the players ie lallana and Morgan etc signed long term contracts with the view we were going to become almost a superpower. 2. Katrina saw the money she was putting in and decided that she wasn't prepared to bankroll us to that degree and informed cortese that players would have to be sold and that we have to live within our means and basically have the budget of a mid to lower prem club. Cortese was offered fab deal to stay but said that if you sell best players you lose your ambition and that he wasn't prepared to stick around in that situation. 3. The players after seeing the club had 'changed course' then starting seeking moves as previously there was hardly any stories of our players wanting out. Shaw I know at the time was happy to stay here. Lallana made his 'happy to stay for life' comments thinking we were sticking to original plan. Lambert has side said all this was the case. I don't think we can blame Katrina as she has put a lot of money in and we are in far better position now than under Lowe. At least we reinvest. Also, it's her money she can do what she likes with it. But we will struggle to keep improving on league positions IMO. I don blame cortese as I see he was ambitious and wanted to take us to the top but it wasn't his money and who knows what Markus would have decided! I don't blame the players as they were promised a plan that changed and why shouldn't they be able to try and get to the top once they saw that saints weren't anymore the vehicle to take them there? Only thing I would say is I think saints need to ditch the talk of champions league as it gives the fans unrealistic expectations. Just be honest about the targets.

I'm sorry but les reed has royally blown it here. Just terrible by saints to handle it like this.

I'm quite excited about it tbh but trust you to try and put a downer on it as usual.

Saints Charlie you are the classic personal a sunny day to say "it's going to cloud over later".

I'm quite excited about it tbh but trust you to try and put a downer on it as usual.

You are just painful.

Agree mate it's bizarre. Basically looks like he's pushing then out the door.

No way jwp will play the holding role we will sign someone else. He's not strong enough. He doesn't deserve to be in team after last season.

Leave the forum please you're a nightmare. Wishing our players a good move. Clearly a troll.

Think I certainly give my opinions.

You actually seem pleased our players might go somewhere else. Every day is a cold Monday in November when you post Charlie.

So if we win two rounds we get into group stages?

Wait and see Charlie. It hasn't gone wrong yet. We can be depressed after event not before.

Hang on I thought that your sources had told you it was pretty much definate he would sign a new contract?

For a young lad yes targett has done we and on appearances he's played 7. Steven david would be less as I think he's had a poor season by his standards. 0 goals all season is shocking tbh and his performances haven't been very good. I don't understand why people think ward prowse has improved. I haven't seen any evidence of this. No pace, can't shoot from open play, not good in the tackle and no left foot.

Davis rated higher than Vic? Are you mad?

Forster 8 Clyne 7 Fonte 9 Toby 8 Bertrand 8 Vic 8 Morgan 8 Jwp 5 Davis 5 Long 6 Reed 6 Targett 7 Yoshida 7 Gardos 5 Mane 8 Pelle 7 Elia 5 Djuricic 5 Tadic 6

Mane does that.

Been great but I think we need to address this for next season.

Since jam almost been relegation form. 5 away defeats in a row. Think we need to ship out some players

Les reed said last week Clyne could sign this week I'm starting to wonder of it was bluster again from him.

Was never poor at all. Was better upfront IMO until today. Sunderland home he was good and utd game was in right positions but was funding his feet.