shurlock

Interesting to hear Whitty say that there was a lot to learn from Germany given their early and proactive testing.

Isn't there evidence that they are more predisposed to things like diabetes? Wouldn't surprise me at all that having a high BMI is a risk factor. I heard earlier today that Boris Johnson is only 5 foot 9 in and over 16 stones.

The thing with China is that it is extremely decentralised the central government will do what it always does when faced with discontent and play the public off against local officials all while presenting itself opportunistically as defender of the public interest. It’s a strategy that has worked effectively in the past and there’s no reason to think it won’t now.

Brexiters turning on China even though Brexit will make the UK more reliant on it. Great thinking lads

Sounds like both you and your partner have been through the wars. Horrendous stuff. I hope your mate’s wife pulls through OK - at least, she’s under close supervision. Take care and rest up.

Hope you’re feeling a bit better now. What were your first symptoms like?

You’re confusing the owner and club. Liverpool is based in the UK and subject to the same tax rules and regulations as Newcastle and Tottenham and every other PL club.

Very poor if true.

Lazy, uninstructive, gotcha journalism at its finest.

Flustered pal? I thought you’d be taking the moral high ground and claiming that whatever your political allegiances -even if you’d never vote Labour, it’s important for our democracy to have a credible parliamentary opposition that can hold the government to account.

Ran a dodgy Asian wet food market?

Precisely.

Good lad. The estimates are interesting in their own right as I hadn't seen them reported on here before.

As of March 28, the Imperial College bigwigs estimated the % of total UK population infected at between 1.5-5.4%. If you accept their estimates, it suggests we're nowhere near herd immunity.

Huge rise in jobless claims in the US. Anthony Fauci, the leading US expert on infectious diseases, is receiving enhanced personal security after receiving threats from the usual suspects. Only in the US.

Well done for backing up my point that you have to self isolate longer than 7 days if you still have a high temperature i.e. symptoms (as repeated in post 1361, if you struggle to understand). Give yourself a bone little westie I'm sure you'll keep plugging away in your special little way -despite your struggles to dispute the substance of my argument and lighthouse's. Thankfully no policymakers are listening to your barmy analysis. That's it from me I promised egg.

It’s a live conversation but given it’s not hugely controversial to anyone outside this thread, least of all experts and policymakers, I’ll stop posting on the matter.

It’s longer than 7 days if you still have a temperature and 2 weeks if you live with someone who has symptoms (from the day their symptoms started). What are the odds that nobody in the health service falls into either of those two categories (I know someone who does for starters). Whether it’s 7, 10 or 14 days (or longer), testing reduces the time NHS staff need to be away from work if they test negative. Thank f**k, policy isn’t following the crack team of you, batman and little Westie.

I’m afraid I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about here. The 125,000 figure was publicly quoted.

Not if you have a high temperature (and obviously not if you live in a household with someone with symptoms - I have a friend who’s a frontline health professional and is self-isolating for precisely that reason). But that’s neither here or there: the key point is that you’d still be back at work quicker with testing, even under a worst care scenario - it’s not difficult to understand pal. At least, policymakers agree - thank f**k, you’re nowhere near policy.

It’s easy to conjure up ever more silly situations. But let’s play your little game pal: said nurse could wait till the cold has cleared, likely to be a few days tops and then return to work. If she caught the virus and developed symptoms, she’d know it was no longer her cold (the symptoms of coronavirus may be quite different from a common cold at any rate, so easy to distinguish). In this worst case situation, the NHS has lost her for a few days (time required for cold to clear) as opposed to two weeks under the no testing, self-isolation protocol which is obviously preferable to it.

Precisely- it’s very easy to understand.

In which case, they would develop symptoms and simply be retested. The opportunity costs of not having medical professionals at work are far greater than the costs of conducting a pretty standard test multiple times, if necessary. And at the very least, they would know they were negative - preferable to someone who’s self-isolated for 14 days and believes they had the virus (when testing would have shown they didn’t) and returning to work and possibly thinking they’re invincible and not a risk to others.

I have diagnosed sleep apnea - cpap machines are two a penny.

They have a role to play but are not ideal or without risks and certainly won't be much use for serious cases.