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Is it too much to ask that you tone down the insults. You're behaving like a kid. Face the fact that not everyone agrees with you.

I'm in the same boat, but remember the 80's well and the Thatcher/Reagan years were the best this country has ever had it.

Principles and two jags are not words i'd use together.

No they weren't. I never joke about politics.

I've said i won't result to abuse, could you please return the courtesy.

It's an interesting subject but to get a balanced view - i.e the truth - you need to understand both sides and sadly the history taught in schools is akin to brain washing by those who dictate the political agenda. It's no co-incidence that so many teachers have left wing views and are unionised.

To be fair the level of genocide in Germany was only really comprehended after the war.

The tide is turning. Political Correctness is backfiring on the left spectacularly.

I got an A in history GCSE, i expect from your post you also recently did well.

It had very little if anything to do with it. We were in alliance with Poland. My history is a little rusty but it was the same principle as in WW1 with the triple entente and the axis powers (don't want to get to bogged down in details as i can sense Thorpe Le Saint waiting to pounce on a technicality ). Also we were hardly the bastions of democracy - we didn't build the greatest empire the world has ever seen by being Liberal.

We all know that. His character was desinged to mock the far right, but it backfired because Alf became a cult figure.

I've edited your post to prove my point. Also do you really believe that post WW2 we were a liberal society that despised patriotism? I think you'll find that the only real difference between us and the Germans was that they were a Nationalist Socilaist nation and we were a Nationalist Imperialist nation. To infer that we were fighting against racism is simply wrong, we were fighting against a rival.

There is no distinct line between the two - that is the point i'm making. The "line" is dictaded by political agenda. If this country ever finds itself in another world war then trust me the "line" will again shift.

A lot of people agree with their points. It's nothing to be ahamed of.

When i see the word "racism" used i always change it to "patriotism". Racism is a politically correct term for Patriotism. During WW1 and WW2 patriotism was actively encouraged by the government with it's anti German propaganda, but the left wing despise patriotism and anyone who's proud of British history and culture, and it's been rebranded through political correctness as racism.

I thought you were calling for a serious discussion on immigration and the rise of the BNP earlier in the thread? I have provided links to a story based on official figures so please tell me why it's so funny.

I was going to vote Tory (and voted torry in the SWF poll), but living in one of the safest Tory seats in England i've changed my mind and will vote BNP as a protest against immigration.

Evidence and facts.

If you live in a marginal then quite clearly it's your duty to vote Tory because removing Brown and the Labour lot is the priority, but if you live in a safe seat then imo you should vote for the party you believe in because your vote will send out a message.

You've got no answer. That is the point i'm making. If you stand up and tell the truth then the far lefts arguments get blown out of the water.

Do you remember warren Mitchell playing Alf Garnett? His character was designed by the left wing as a character to be ridiculed - how they got it wrong! Alf Garnett became a cult here because he said what many many people thought. The Left think they are the voice of British people but Alf Garnetts cult status shows that they clearly are not.

TopGun you don't get it. I vote BNP because they are the most FAR RIGHT of all the parties. I'm disgusted at our open door immigration policy so this is my vote to tell Brown what I think of it.

Conclusive proof that Gordon Brown is a LIAR on immigration. "British jobs for British workers" So let's look at the facts... BRITISH JOBS PLEDGE SHATTERED AS 98% GIVEN TO IMMIGRANTS Official figures revealed that more than nine out 10 of the 1.7 million jobs added to the economy since 1997 have gone to workers from overseas http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/167882/British-jobs-pledge-shattered-as-98-given-to-immigrants MASS IMMIGRATION IS A DISASTER AND LABOUR IS TO BLAME Now the full extent of Brown’s lie has been exposed by new official figures showing how badly home-grown employment has suffered from mass immigration. According to the Office of National Statistics, almost every single new vacancy in the economy since 1997 has effectively gone to a foreigner When UK passports are dished out at the rate of 200,000 a year the once-proud concept of British citizenship has long since lost its meaning. But that is the way Labour wants it. The socialist Government, filled with loathing for our national identity, has used mass immigration as a battering ram to destroy the traditional structure of Britain. The economic arguments used by Labour politicians to justify their policy of open borders were always just a smokescreen. All the hollow claims about jobs and growth hid the feverish Left- wing determination to create “a new social order”, in the immortal words of Harriet Harman. One of Tony Blair’s aides, Andrew Neather, admitted that Labour’s enthusiasm for mass immigration was not based on economics but on the desire “to rub the right’s nose in diversity” http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/168165/Mass-immigration-is-a-disaster-and-Labour-is-to-blame I was going to vote Tory but not any more, i'm voting for the BNP because i'm so angry at what the Socialists have done to this country.

My uncle was a Conservaive councillor in Warboys during the Major years.

You have a point. I'm countryside born and bred and patriotic views are certainly more prevelent. We look at the big conurbations and think ourselves lucky we still live in comunities where immigrants haven't yet settled, but there is a fear that this cannot be taken for granted. We have a saying "it's no good shutting the barn door once the horse has bolted" and for that reason the votes for UKIP and the BNP are growing. Also there's many people in the countryside now who've moved out of the big cities to get away from the mullti cultured cities and they don't want to see their new area turned into the area they left.