Sour Mash

As a quick win, no religious schools of any kind. What would your solution be to stop future attacks of this nature?

Hundreds and hundreds of Islmaic incidents from 2013 alone versus Guy Fawkes, you couldn't make it up

Do a comparison between church attendance in 1850, 1950 and 2014?The degree to which people practice their faith ultimately matters completely. If they've gone from devoutly following the teachings of their clergymen and holy book to merely "identifying" with a particular religion, how is that not clearly moving away from religion. I've got mates that will always say they're Catholic, but they're the least religious people you could ever hope to meet. As a rough percentage, how many people do you know go to church regularly?

The problem is, I don't think much can and will be done in practice for some while, that's the worst and most worrying thing about it. Do any of us think yesterday's attack was the last of it's kind for the time being? Do you have a solution? Do any of the powers that be have a way of stopping it, apart from last ditch, secret service activities? What I would like to see, is a concerted, long-term effort from government agencies to pull communities away from being influenced, focused, controlled by religion, particularly Islam. The problem is two fold. Being seen as "un-PC" still scares too many politicians and pushing the problem even further underground. How the world tackles something like Boko Haram, I've no idea.

I don't know a single person that goes to church, prays, reads the bible and that's across various work offices, neighbours, families, friends, the lot. I'm sure loads of people "identify" with a religious group, stick on their Census form "Catholic" Or went to a "C of E" school, but actually practice the religion in any way, no.

I don't think he understands the points being discussed to be honest.

How are your lists coming on for comparable terrorist attacks to those from Islam for 2013? Got past Guy Fawkes yet?

So because thousands of people are being killed the world over in the name of Islam, I've got to have a solution for them? How does that work? Bizarre. Tell us more about Islam's contribution to western society in terms of "it encourages creativity, promotes understanding across cultures and in general means that people can assimilate into a culture quite seamlessly."

What do you mean "you genuinely think that's how people view religion"? Do people not pray to God? And follow Halal or Kosher etc? The developed world has gone step, by step away from religion, and quite rightly. Most of the developed world manages quite easily without religion.

All religion is backward in my eyes. If someone came into your place of work tomorrow, then mid morning, asked to be excused and walked over to the window and mumbled up to the sky for 10 mins, then came and sat back down. Then come lunchtime told you he couldn't eat cheese because the man in the sky and the man in his book told him it was dirty, what would you think of him?

Indeed. I tolerate anyone that follows any religion. That doesn't stop me thinking its ridiculous and completely out-dated.

Anyone living in the Western world in the 21st Century and still following a religion of any description is very much living in the past.

For those with a Network Card, I think its still the case that its cheaper if you get your tickets to and from Manningtree (the stop before) and then a return from Manningtree to Ipswich, as Manningtree is within the Network zone. Used to be the case anyway, so possibly worth a check.

Completely agree.

Yep, using Guy Fawkes in comparison to a very, very long list of incidents from 2013 alone kind of proves my point.

Just pointing out where some had got it wrong when they stated that all groups were the same in terms of the terrorist problem we're currently facing. When you heard there was a terrorist attack in France yesterday, if you hadn't heard the detail, what would you guess the cause behind it was?

Cheers, you've just proven my point. Not remotely comparable are they.

Is that it "bro"? Go back and compare it to the list I posted up. Those were just incidents from one calendar year as well.

I can't find any comparable list for any other group. That's just for 2013 as well. Maybe google is racist or conspiring against islam?

I'm responding to the claim made in the post I am replying to. But I agree, its for him to prove that claim. Let's see if he can.

Right, feel free to post up a comparable list to this at any time http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2013.htm or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks

I guess De Gea has made a significant difference. But considering their forward line of Van Persie, Falcao, Di Maria, Mata, Rooney etc, they really haven't scored that many (hoping I've not jinxed Sunday).

Who have I discriminated against? You're telling me that there are the same number of Hindu related terrorist incidets the world over as muslim ones? That's a bit of mad viewpoint.

Yep, if they're carried out in the name of Christanity, they are Christian Incidents and just as bad.

No problem, any time.