Unbelievable Jeff

He has a habit of misreading posts and implying something that hasn't been written, so I wouldn't worry. He has previous.

Patrick, get yer coat mate...

It's all about the burden of responsibility for me. Some think the responsibility is on the state and their surroundings, some on the individual. As with pretty much everything in life, and certainly on this thread, the reality is somewhere in the middle.

I'm still at ****ing work, livid.

Damn straight. Feckless.

I did earn it thank you very bloody much. Saved for 3 and a half years out of uni, and was hard work. Did live at home for a year of it though I do admit (although was working as a labourer at the time).

God no, always felt it was beneath me

Nope, definitely not 50, honest. You can ask Lou and everything...

Wasn't meant to be!

You must have some **** BA's if they're all failed coders, Jesus.

Even if it did, I doubt we'd go out attacking people and their livelihoods because I felt like the Government wasn't looking out for me.

I had to come up with 30K for my first deposit, which was 5 years ago, when I was 25. Not sure how that's relevant mind.

You do get quite insulting when I don't agree with you, don't you?

Lou, my Dad had an incredibly poor upbringing in Lewisham in a council flat, and my Mum in a council house in Worksop. The reason I am like what I am is because they told me never to accept excuses for someone not getting themselves out of poverty. So i don't.

And you know what, no ****, all devs are like him. Hard work trying to get them to do anything that the business actually wants, and not what they want/can be bothered to do.

Lol, perhaps is should rephrase, I'm a Senior Business Systems Analyst, so I do design and come up with solutions. Don't try and make yourself out to be some sort of ****ing martyr just because you effectively work on our say so. There are a lot of **** devs that make our lives hard. Either way, that's not the point. The point was you getting all angry because you think I don't work hard. I have done, and I still do.

He's a code monkey, back breaking work is that.

I'm not disagreeing with what you say, what I am saying is that attacking others in society, regardless of how ****ed off you are, should be condemned.

For a start, I'm not a PM, I'm a Senior BA, so i do have to work hard. Combine that with pretty much rebuilding my house at weekends means that I generally work 6 to 7 days a week. And no, I've never worked down a mine, but I have spent a year working on a building site for a year after University, being paid not a lot. Seems like you didn't do enough research on this one.

Effectively someone will always have to take up the slack, and thats the problem with this country, the world, life.

No, which is why I put doubt. We all have our demons Pap. It seems that mine is that I think people should work hard. It seems that yours is that this country or world will never provide the utopia you believe should be possible. You will always be disappointed.

Blame them from what, attacking people and their businesses?

It's not indifference or incapability of realising, it's working with what you know. You say all Tories are ****s, yet that is based on the Tories you know. Are you incapable of realising that not all of them are ****s?

These aren't really the people we're talking about, I doubt many of these rioters had jobs. Living wage is something that should be paid by the way, certainly by the larger businesses.