Unbelievable Jeff

Perhaps during the riots they were following the wonderful example of their teachers, and getting themselves some free grub in prison?

I'm not saying work hard and life will be fair, as life isn't. I'm not aware of any of those stostories, that's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they don't exist, as of course there are always outliers, but I don't think there are plentiful examples of this. Agree on jail time over the banks btw.

I genuinely don't. The only person I know on benefits hasn't worked a day in her life, and now her benefits have been cut she is at College doing a BTEC in carework and has been offered a job as soon as she finishes the course.

I can see it as a cry for help, but that doesn't defend it? And dont forget, a lot of those rioting were just after a fun night out!

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The problem is there are examples of those from inner city life that have worked hard and got themselves out of poverty, ****ing tons of them. What there isn't is examples of those that have worked hard and followed the law, but not got out of it.

But that's it, all I am doing in castigating it. Others are defending it, saying that violence IS the right way to do it, and effectively that they were correct to do what they did.

I disagree. If you spend your life working hard, following the laws of society, then you will get out of the poverty we are talking about.

People in general make bad decisions. But then they get castigated for them, and rightly so.

I'm certainly not talking about those with mental health problems. Role models can be found everywhere, teachers for example. But no, they're not cool enough role models, so don't get picked. But the bloke who sells drugs down the block with the blacked out slammed 7 series seems pretty cool so they pick him.

If they'd put in that sort of effort at school they wouldn't be in that mess in the first place.

Preferable to burning down the general publics businesses, of course. How could it not be? When those rioters were down your road or wherever were you thinking "I hope they burn down my house rather than the library down the road."

You think burning down numerous council offices won't have more than an effect than burning down a furniture store in Croydon? As soon it actually starts costing the government big bucks it would have an effect. But they didn't try that, they just went and got themselves a new Ipad.

Picketing Government buildings perhaps? Why not attack council buildings etc? Or was it just because they fancied a new TV and some Beats by Dre headphones?

Perhaps. Still don't think violence against civilian businesses etc is the right way to go about it.

Just out of interest, what do the bankers get for nothing?

But the violence was aimed at civilians, not at the government. I am vehemently against any further benefits cuts, they went to far, hence why I won't vote Tory, but violence is not the answer. The Ferguson riots are very different, that's violence based on violence.

It was a facetious comment, so I replied facetiously. Just because you feel disenfranchised by something, doesn't mean you should go around smashing up other peoples stuff. What gives anyone that right? Protest peacefully outside parliament, there were enough of them to make them sit up and listen. But going around smashing stuff up? Pathetic, repugnant behaviour, and has meant that any sympathy people had was eroded pretty ****ing quickly.

And after the MPs were told they could no longer claim expenses, did we see them rioting on the streets of London? If we manage to cut down on the avoidance/evaders, will we see groups of thuggish billionaires burning down furniture shops, looting Currys etc?

To smash up other peoples property and livelihood? Probably people indiscriminately blocking my drive.

Might well have been actually, my mistake.

The whole ****ing lot of them are nuts, and a lot of people are going to vote for them. It's scary.

Certainly from those that I saw and spoke to in London, as well as others I castigated on Facebook (middle class kids saying the government don't give them enough money when they're at College and living at home) is that they didn't understand what was happening, but they were angry about it anyway. The initial message became so diluted that in the end no-one knew what they were 'rioting' for, just that everyone else was. It was utterly, utterly pathetic from my point of view, and those involved that weren't protesting peacefully should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves. People like David Gilmours son etc.

Perhaps, but I think if we were to buy Clasie that he would be a done deal very soon after the end of the season. No doubt everything has been agreed apart from the price.

Buy Clasie at the beginning of summer, sell Morgan towards the end. Sorted.