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Seriously egg? I honestly thought that there was some hope for you but you have slipped back into usual suspect mode. What a shame. Ok, you are like a dog with a bone so here we go for the last time. I did not refer to that particular article or deliberately misquote it. Why would I when it is very clear it used a different word and knowing that the usual suspects go over everything with a fine tooth comb trying to find comebacks? If you look back at my previous posts you will see that I said looked at a number of different reports. I found The Cradle article on another forum along with some other quoted articles and posts copied from Twitter. They were all fairly vague but the eye witness reports gave the impression that that we weren’t just talking about a few casualties. I used The Cradle article in my post because I knew certain posters would call me a liar and that not only supported the claim but it also detailed other deliberate strikes against civilian hostages taken by Hamas. It wasn’t my only source material. Understand? I didn’t go out of my way to do anything and you will not find one word of any of my posts where I “minimise” what happened on that day. You are just doing what the others do, twisting something to suit your argument. Not once have I minimised any terrorist attack. I have always posted against any extremist activities. I don’t condone the actions of Hamas but if you want to interpret what I have said that way, then that is down to you. If you can be bothered, go back and read what I have said. If Hamas had continued their murderous attacks on civilians every day since 7th October I would be posting against that too, but they haven’t. I am posting against the claims that the IDF, at the behest of the Israeli government are using proportionate force since 7th October and that this isn’t defence, it is revenge. That has absolutely nothing to do with any attempt to play down what happened on 7th October, unless you are so polarised in your support for Zionist ideology and hatred for Muslims that you can’t see the wood for the trees. Even if Hamas had only killed 50 civilians that day it would have been a horrendous attack. Why do you have to use semantics (can you give me a figure difference between “some” “many” “ and “a number” when no one has a clue what the number is nor are we likely ever to know so we are talking in abstracts anyway? I know why, because you are trying to pretend that I had another (and different) motive. This thread is going the way of so many others which is a shame as, for a while, it was half decent. For that reason l’ll leave you to it as the usual suspects can smell blood and it will only get worse. Believe what you want, but this is my take on things - There is barely a fag paper between the butchery carried out by Hamas on 7th October and the consistent butchery that has been carried out by the IDF pretty much every day since. Peace will only ever be achieved when both sides of the conflict accept the two state solution, Israel withdraws from the occupied territories and all of the Arab nations accept that Israel has the right to exist in peace alongside the other nations in the ME. Strict boundaries need to be agreed by all sides, adhered to and policed by a peace keeping force from the UN. Immediate and heavy sanctions need to be implemented on any side breaking the peace accord with no veto allowed through the UN’s security council. I don’t see anything controversial or that can be twisted to show antisemitism, but I am sure it will happen anyway. Keep working on it egg. I’m sure you will get there eventually, despite this recent set back 😉 👋

That article said “some”. There are other articles which use different words from various eye witnesses which made it sound more than a few. I have already explained my use of the word “many”. It is not rocket science to deduce that it you fire shells and spray a large crowd of people with machine gun fire from a helicopter, there are going to be lots of casualties. The majority of the crowd were civilians. As they say in the US, you do the math. If you honestly think that, by some miracle, the indiscriminate firing at a crowd of people didn’t hit more than a few civilians and managed just to pick out terrorists, fair enough. Chose your own word and we will use that if that makes you happy.Given that the IDF showed no restraint elsewhere that day and deliberately fired on civilians as well as terrorists, I don’t see why you are making such a big deal over a word that no one can quantify anyway. Just so that I know for future reference, am I allowed to use the word “many” when referring to the number of innocent civilians killed since 7th October? I am not denying what Hamas did that day. I was pointing out that there were deaths and injuries to civilians caused by the approach used by the IDF too, something that isn’t get much main media attention. This is relevant because of the claim made in the early days that care would be taken to minimise the number of civilian casualties to Palestinians. It has been shown that from day 1 they had no problem with firing on their own people, so any claims that they have taken care to minimise deaths of non Hamas people in Gaza (and the West Bank) was and is clearly bollocks. Can we move on now or do we have to play forum semantics some more? So, a recent poll of Israeli Jews shows that Netanyahu scored less than 4% when it when it came to decision making and giving information. He is clearly deeply unpopular (if you don’t like the word deeply feel free to use another of your choice) in Israel and in Jewish communities outside of Israel. If you look at his quotes and those of some of his government colleagues, the present administration has issues over the two state solution and have an often stated hatred towards Palestinians (there are plenty of examples on line so don’t bother asking me for proof). Hamas is one issue, but until Netanyahu and his cronies are removed the chance of a long term peaceful settlement look unlikely. I am deeply sorry to criticise some Jewish people again, but given they are also being criticised by other Jews, I am in good company. *** I have since read another report which mentions “a number of casualties”. Let’s all pretend that I said a “number” rather than “many” and perhaps we can all move on with our lives?

I agree given the amount of dissemination from both sides, that is why I said that I didn’t know if the infirmation about the tunnel had been verified. The Israel police confirmed that there were casualties from “friendly fire” so I am assuming that is verification? I don’t know why you went all MLG by my use of the word “many”. No figure was given (and I misused earlier when talking about the numbers as 200 have already been identified as Hamas - the point I meant to make is that we will probably never know how many deaths were down to Hamas or “friendly fire”) so when I said “many of the casualties” the “many” came from an assumption that as the vast majority of the crowd at the festival were Israelis or foreigners and the terrorists mingled with the crowd to make it difficult for the IDF to target them, any firing into the crowd was likely to cause more than a few casualties. It also transpired that the IDF fired artillery shells into the crowd too. So, we have 1200 Israelis and Foreigners, plus 200 terrorists killed and some 3,400 wounded with a helicopter, artillery and automatic weapon fire raking the area, is it really a stretch to assume that “many” of the casualties were caused by friendly fire? I didn’t say it wasn’t. Pointing out that a percentage (is that ok Badger) of the casualties were caused by the IDF themselves does not absolve Hamas of responsibility for the attack and I have never said that. It is also not unreasonable to suggest that the hostages face greater danger from the IDF given that it is the interests of Hamas to keep them alive and the IDF have shown no interest in showing discretion at who they shot at. If you read the article from The Cradle I posted earlier, the Israeli police confirmed that the IDF had shelled a police station in which Hamas were holding a number of Israeli police hostage rather than negotiate for their release, killing everyone inside. They then bulldozed the police station flat (why would you do that?). They also confirmed that IDF tanks shelled a house where Hamas were holding civilians hostage rather than negotiate with the terrorists. Everyone inside was killed including a 12 year old girl. What was that we were told about how careful they were going to be with civilians? These were on their own side! As for Duckhunter’s comments, from the start I have called out the killing of civilians by both sides as wrong but as we know from his own post, his definition of antisemitism is criticising a Jew. So yes, I criticise Netanyahu and the ghouls he governs with for the butchery of innocent civilians on pretty much every day from 7th October. It is his usual deflection tactic. He can’t defend the indefensible although he clearly doesn’t have a problem with it, so he defects. I have an issue with any civilians being killed from either side of the divide, he clearly has no issue with the butchery of women, children and babies as long as they are Palestinian. Now that Whelk, is “nasty”. https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13111 No ethnic cleansing here - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/likud-minister-suggests-world-should-promote-voluntary-resettlement-of-gazans/

It was more than a few so many isn’t a weasel word. From what I have seen a number of cars were hit by the aerial attacks, cars full of people who the attackers wouldn’t have know if they were Hamas or not. As I am sure you know, if you fire automatic weapons at a crowd of people indiscriminately there will be “many” people hit. We will never know how many were Hamas and how many were innocent civilians as “many” of the bodies were badly burnt, but I appreciate your efforts to be even handed.

I don’t know if this has been verified but apparently the Israelis built the tunnel(s) under the hospital when they built the hospital which is why they were so sure it/they existed. Again, I don’t know whether this is fact but, apparently, the Palestinians filled the entrance with concrete as they had no use for that area. For every claim that the Israeli government make you can find shedloads of rebuttals and they often end up backtracking. And we can finally acknowledge that they have gone gung ho and are shooting people indiscriminately as it has been accepted by Netanyahu himself. For those who missed my post earlier the Israeli authorities now accept that many of the casualties at the Nova festival were caused by indiscriminate firing into the escaping crowd by Israeli Apache helicopters. If you are one of the hostages you have probably got more chance now of being killed by the IDF than Hamas. Talking of not aging well, the claim that the IDF were acting out of defence and targeting Hamas is now know to be a lie. From the start they have operated out of revenge, are killing indiscriminately and if they happened to kill Hamas fighters in the process, that is a bonus, but civilians have been fair game from the start. They are not looking to break Hamas, they are looking to break the Palestinians and this is going on in the West Bank too. Netanyahu and his cronies are no better than the Hamas terrorists and his apologists are looking more discredited by the day.

Getting back on topic, do those who think that the IDF have a free rein to do what they want, still happy about that? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/19/horrifying-dozens-reported-killed-in-israeli-attacks-on-camps-schools

It appears now that the IDF killed many innocents civilians themselves in the Hamas attack of 7th October. https://new.thecradle.co/articles-id/13111 As for this very strange obsession that a small group of long standing posters on here develop for others, I just want to put this on record. I do have the small group of usual suspects on my ignore list but as I have stated several times - 1. If you come onto the forum without logging on the ignore function does not work so all of the posts are visible. 2. If another poster quotes a post from someone on the ignore list, that post is visible in their quote so visible anyway if they are in your ignore list. 3. The ignore function gives you the option to view any post from posters on your ignore list if you decide you want to read that particular post. I have said many times that I do read some of the posts sometimes if i want a better idea of why a thread goes where it does. That doesn’t mean that the individuals concerned are not on my ignore list. I hope that makes sense and that I don’t need to repeat it yet again. If I was going to make up stuff just to impress complete strangers on an internet football forum I would make up much more exciting stories. I don’t see the point of telling lies on forms, there are enough fantasists around as it is. These are facts and all easily provable if I could be bothered. I was arrested for allegedly assaulting my ex wife. The case was thrown out in court and even her brief admitted that the CPS should never have taken the case to court. I started treatment at The Priory in Hayes, Kent in December 2013 and was referred there by the company doctor whilst working for The Spectator. I was never a “top flier” at the Guardian or CPS and have never claimed to be so. I ended up in middle management jobs in both organisations. He is just making stuff up as he usually does. My first job was with the then HM Customs & Excise. I then joined The Times for 5 years, then The Guardian/Observer for 22 years where I was made redundant and from there went to The Daily/Sunday Telegraph and The Spectator. I didn’t work for 3 years after my stint at The Spectator before joining the Crown Prosecution Service where my then partner, now wife, also worked. I left after deciding to take early retirement. i do not post deliberately to wind up the usual suspects although occasionally do as they sometimes leave the door open for a bit of fun at their expense. It doesn’t seem unreasonable as I have taken so much crap from them over the years. The vast majority of my opinions fall in what they would call the left of centre/woke area and anyone posting anything against right wing dogma for this small group of posters is fair game. There are one or two who will immediately reply so I guess they have some kind of notification that I have posted and you can guarantee, whatever I say, they will find fault with it. Usually I am on my own so it has made a pleasant change on this thread to have other people posting similar things although the usual suspects still hone in on my posts, bless ‘em. I suppose I should be proud in some ways. I have always said if my posts wind up a certain type of poster I must be doing something right 🤔. People who support the likes of Farage, Johnson, Robinson, Hopkins,Trump, Patel, Braverman, etc and are xenophobes, misogynists, homophobic etc ( you get the picture) deserve to have their views called out. I am sure they are old enough and ugly enough to handle it. It does make me chuckle to be called “lonely” though when these people have nothing better to do with their lives than attack a complete stranger on social media. Just off to have lunch with friends 😉.

This is an interesting article. https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/17/gaza-invasion-israel-west-crisis I had forgotten how many unsavoury regimes various Israeli governments have supported over the years. And if I am lonely, what does that make the people who spend all day on here looking for an argument? You spend far more time here than I do hypo so I am guessing you have nothing better to do with your time? I post opinions. No one holds a gun to your head and forces you to “joust” with me. It’s telling that the only people who “joust” are always the same old posters that would find others to argue with even if I didn’t post here.

So is whinging about losing football matches or playing out from the back, but people spend hours doing that too. Perhaps we should do away with all social media as it is pretty much all utterly irrelevant ?

A question for those who pour scorn on the peace marchers and MPs calling for an end to hostilities. If it was Hamas killing hundreds/thousands of civilians and laying waste to areas of Israel every day since 7th October, would you still be against peace marchers and MP’s calling for an end to hostilities? Would people “waving placards” still be “fuckwits” (now that, hypochondriac, is an insult, but it seems insulting people is ok in your book if you don’t like the targets). Another question. Assuming we all agree that Jewish Israelis have every right to live in peace and security in Israel, do you agree that Palestinian Muslims have the same rights in Gaza and the West Bank? If so, why is the murder of civilians not acceptable in one case and acceptable in another? Despite the best efforts of some, we still live in a democracy and have the right to protest if we think that something is wrong. Over the years people have taken to the streets for all manor of causes, votes for women,the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, the ending of apartheid, against the poll tax, in support of the miners, against the use of fossil fuel and many to support the end of various conflicts. Just because you may not agree with the cause, it doesn’t make the people taking to the streets or putting pressure on the government to change their position “fuckwits”. Yes, there will always be a few who just pitch up for a ruck, but they are a small minority. The more people call out against the mass killing of civilians, the more pressure is put on the governments to speak out against the actions of the IDF rather than standing with them, the more the people with real power to put pressure on the Israeli government will do so. The minute Biden tells Netanyahu enough is enough, things will change and that will only happen when there is enough external pressure to force Biden to act. It has been suggested that Netanyahu has been given two more weeks with a free rein for the IDF before he will be told that is it now and back off. I’m not sure how many more innocent men, women, children and babies will be killed in that time or how much more damage will be done to the infrastructure to Gaza which will make living there a nightmare, but I think it is pretty obvious to most people that this will only stop when the people supporting Netanyahu tell him to stop. Of course it isn’t going to take 40 years this time (what a dumb thing to suggest and if I had done it you would have been all over me). The more pressure put on world leaders to change their position, the sooner there will be meaningful moves to stop the hostilities. One “fuckwit” waving a placard isn’t going to change a thing. Millions of “fuckwits” waving placards all around the world will make a difference. The numbers are growing daily.

Dear Weston, I rarely respond to your posts as you are usually on a wind up, but as you have excelled yourself today I shall make an exception. My original point was that protests and international pressure can make a difference and cited the effect that they had in helping to end apartheid in South Africa, which they did. So, zero “whatsboutery”, just an example to prove a point. The situation in South Africa was completely different to that currently in Gaza and I did not say that they were similar so why are you pretending that I did and why are you going on about 40 years? If you had been paying attention you would know that the protesters are calling for an end now to the killings on both sides which started on 7th October. So two very different sets of circumstances in which outside influence has, and possibly could again, have a meaningful effect. Get it? You either constantly misunderstand the points that your forum targets make or you are being deliberately obtuse. Either way you rarely make any meaningful contributions to these threads. If you aren’t interested in engaging on a level other than that of a WUM, perhaps just give it a rest for a bit and come back when and if you have something relevant to say?

Absolutely. It makes far more sense to say and do nothing. After all, it’s not like the protests and international pressure helped to bring about the end of apartheid in South Africa. Oh, wait…

I think you are right. Although I haven’t had that conversation with Alex since his transition, during our previous conversations and from what he shared in therapy groups, he was also comfortable with his sexuality and was in no doubt that his sexual preference was women. At no time did he give any indication that he wanted to transition but there were issues there that were not being addressed. It did come as a shock to me when I heard that he had completed the process but the complete change in his outlook and general demeanour was incredible. I do get the feeling that his previous mental health problems were down to his struggle with the issue of transition. No mention whatsoever during months of therapy. No mention of it when we would go out for a few drinks and talk about what had taken us to The Priory. I don’t think it is a stretch to say that he was having major issues with talking about wanting to transition and that is where his anxiety and depression stemmed from. I have never asked him about it and I will never bring it up unless he wants to discuss it with me. As far as I am concerned he is in a far better place now as a man than he was all those years ago as a women and that is all that matters. Ok, it is a sample of one and doesn’t prove or disprove anything, but given what I know of Alex’s experience and listening to other people with trans issues, I do believe that there is a lot more than feeling/believing that you have been born in the wrong body than mental illness. I also believe that we shouldn’t dump our own prejudices onto those whose condition we do not remotely understand.

Whilst one person’s experience doesn’t prove anything either way, this is relevant to this discussion. I know someone who was female when we first met. We met in The Priory where we were both being treated for anxiety and depression. At the time she was a lesbian and I assumed that her issues revolved around her sexuality, not that she ever intimated that in any of the group sessions we shared. In our first meetings she was very closed down and would barely speak. After a while we got to talking about her interests - football, fishing, boxing, fit women - and we became friends. Over time her mental health improved although it didn’t seem like she got to the bottom of her depressive and anxiety issues but she seemed to handle her depressive moods much better. We don’t live anywhere near each other so we haven’t meet since we left The Priory, but we have kept in touch via social media. A few years passed and I received a message from her under a new name. She said that she had some news. She was now a he. Alison had now become Alex and had undergone a full transition process. He went on to marry his girlfriend and they now have two lovely kids. If you saw his pictures you would have no idea that he used to be female and he has a better beard than I do! Since he became a he his personality has changed enormously and you wouldn’t find someone who was happier and more contented with their life. The difference in them and their personality is amazing. They have gone from a person who barely spoke more than a few words and was constantly staring at the floor to someone who is living life to the full and couldn’t be more engaging and fulfilled. When we were together in The Priory I never had a clue that they were unhappy with their birth body. They seemed to be ok with being a lesbian and weren’t having issues with lesbian relationships. Now it is clear that they had huge issues and felt they were a man in a women’s body. No matter what those who have a problem with trans people think, unless you are in that situation, you have absolutely zero understanding of what is going on with them and why. I don’t understand what Alex has been through but I do understand what difference the transition has made to his life. Why on earth would anyone have an issue with accepting him now as a man? What difference does it make to you personally that a person born with the body of a woman now has the body of a man, the lifestyle of a man and, for all intents and purposes, is now a man? Don’t bother to answer Batman. If you can’t work out the difference between calling someone a Tory who isn’t and the sexuality and gender identity issues, best you leave the discussion to the grown ups.

Perhaps Starmer should have allowed his MPs to vote with their conscience (or for the will of their constituents) but I can see why he did what he did. He is positioning himself as the next PM and showing an appetite for leadership and the ability to take a difficult decisions that Sunak so plainly lacks. The vote doesn’t change a single thing in the real world though, which means that the self sacrifice of Jess Phillips, who was doing a great job about DV against women, was always going to be for nothing. A cease fire is not going to happen at this time. Surely better to call for something that is more likely to happen and will give a small amount of respite and resupply of aid for the civilians with the possibility of more pauses which could lead to a full ceasefire in time?

Parking the invasion of Iraq, this country was infinitely better off under Blair as PM than it has been under the subsequent Tory PMs. Wherever you look things were so much better. Education, the NHS, public services, still in the EU, pretty much everything was better. How anyone can claim that he was a worse PM than the shitshower that had followed him is beyond comprehension. Does anyone remember people talking about how the country was broken and that nothing worked under Blair? That is all you hear now and it isn’t hyperbole. I didn’t like Blair and didn’t vote for Labour in those days, but by any metric he was far better for internal UK politics and the UK population than Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss (😜) or Sunak.

The question shouldn’t be who is the worst between Brown and Sunak. Every Tory PM since Cameron has done huge and lasting damage to this country. Who is the worst from Cameron to Sunak is probably a better question.

It’s all kicking off at the moment. Nasty Sue-Ellen has come out fighting and it ain’t pretty. It’s always a pleasure to see the Tories implode and the rabid right showing it’s teeth. https://news.sky.com/story/amp/suella-bravermans-scathing-letter-to-rishi-sunak-in-full-after-being-sacked-as-home-secretary-13008331 Anyway, the Cameron appointment is a strange one. Is there so little talent in the Tory Party that they have to bring back the man responsible for austerity and Brexit? The answer of course is yes. What a mess. Hopefully this letter will bring the likelihood of a GE closer. Looking forward to see what the Wokefinder General gets up to given that the Chairman of the Tory Party can’t even define what wokery is!

Nigel Farage appearing in I’m A Celebrity, Get Me Out Of Here 2023. The first recorded case of an anus eating an anus?

I don’t for one minute believe that we are suddenly going to be transported into some kind of utopian dream under Labour. What I do expect is a government who will prioritise the kind of things that ordinary people find important, want changed or improved and govern accordingly. I want a competent PM who will be taken seriously both nationally and internationally. I want MPs who put their constituents first, not themselves, their careers and the interests of their mates. I don’t think for one minute that things will be perfect, especially given the mess the country is currently in, but it most certainly can be so much better. I am voting for better.

For those poor misguided souls who think that there is little to choose between the two parties - One the one hand we have a party who have gradually been destroying this country over the last 13 years. A bunch of self serving, corrupt, incompetent, misguided, useless individuals who have run down public services, the NHS, trade, the standing of the UK on the world stage, housing, transport the economy etc. etc. On the other hand you have a party who will run the country based on the needs of normal working people, not themselves. Who will rebuild the NHS, public services, education, trade, the economy, housing, transport, the standing of the UK on the world stage etc. etc. Hmmmm…. Who to vote for 🤔 Anyone voting for another five years under these charlatans really needs to seek some professional help.

Given the level of diversity in the Commons I don’t think that the colour of her skin has anything to do with it. The issue with Braverman has everything to do with what comes out of her mouth and what she does. She comes across as just as vile as people like Farage. To try and suggest that she is hated by many because of her skin colour is beyond ridiculous and shows a complete lack of basic intelligence. Apparently only 16% of people polled think that she is doing a good job as HS. Are we to assume that the rest are all racists? Here’s a thought. Perhaps they think she is an awful HS because she is an awful HS, no matter what the colour of her skin?

It’s okay, he knows that he has been around less than ten years ago because when I used to post about him a few years ago he pretended not to know who he was, despite jumping in to defend him every time I mentioned him. Him and Katie Hopkins. Another vile person who loves to post hateful stuff on social media. Both were banned from Twitter but have been allowed back by Musk. Don’t you just love free speech when it involves whipping up hatred against far right targets?

There was more violence and arrests in a previous Countryside Alliance March but I don’t recall a huge outcry from the usual suspects about that. It is not difficult to see that the problem for some people is that the march came about because it is against the killing of mainly Muslims. A lot of UN workers who are not Muslims have also been killed and there is a chance that some of the hostages taken by Hamas on 7/10 have also been killed by Israeli attacks. The marches are for peace and for the end of the killing of innocent people who have nothing to do with the Hamas attack. How anyone can have a problem with that goodness only knows but then some people have a problem with footballers kneeling down in support of anti racism. How anyone can not see that a bunch of right wing thugs who only turned up to defend the Cenotaph from a non existent attack (until they decided to attack the police there) were only intent of causing trouble for the main march is beyond comprehension. Tommy Robinson/Stephen Yaxley/Lennon has a long history of Islamophobia and this event was right up his street. Apparently some of his sidekicks were wandering around London later chanting “There ain’t no black in the Union Jack” whilst making Nazi salutes (the irony of the salutes was probably lost on them given they were there, one assumes, to support the Israeli actions). Pictures are doing the rounds of our Tommy/Stephen proudly holding an automatic weapon whilst standing on a tank during his visit to Israel. I am guessing that he gave the Nazi salute a miss on that occasion. From the numbers I have seen so far, 0.05% of the main march were arrested. If this had been a march against the use of fossil fuels we would probably not even be talking about it today On the basis of police figures, 99.05% of the people marched peacefully in protest at the deaths of innocent people in Gaza and for an end to the war. Is that really such a terrible thing to do? It so obviously was not a “Hate March” and you would be pretty warped not to agree with their aim. Why on earth would you continue to complain about it when it has gone off peacefully in the main when only a relatively few morons acted violently or illegally? I guess there is an element who are happy to see these attacks on civilians continue. How much longer must this go on? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/12/israel-gaza-war-live-israeli-army-surrounding-al-quds-hospital

I don’t disagree with your point about focus being on posters, but this has been going on for years sadly and, let’s be honest, starts from those of a far right or “anti woke” persuasion most of the time I didn’t catch the date, but I just heard that their was a Pro Brexit March a few years ago London on Armistice Day that ended with speeches in Trafalgar Square. I am guessing that Tommy Robinson, his fellow brown shirts and all those who are wringing their hands over today’s March in support if a ceasefire in Gaza probably didn’t kick off about that one? With today’s violence against the police, surely the Home Secretary has to take a lot of responsibility for the hate she has stirred up against the very people she is a government minister for and must now be removed from office.